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Conservatives Can Be Hotties Too?

I am not a prude.

I realize that nothing screams “I am a prude!” more loudly than beginning a blog post with that sentence, but I truly am not the kind of person who usually gets herself twisted in knots over “inappropriate” and “offensive” things she sees online. It’s a big world, I’m a big girl, and I can accept that some people’s standards differ from my own.

So when I happened upon The 20 Hottest Conservative Women in The New Media, I did not get twisted in knots. But I did cringe with embarrassment.

I appreciate beautiful women. I rejoice when smart, articulate, and attractive—yes, I mean attractive in a very shallow, conventional, materialistic sense—women give voice to pro-life and pro-family causes.

But lining up a group of intelligent women, having a panel of “‘judges” cast their votes for their levels of “hotness,” and then posting their ranked photos so that commenters can weigh in with their own opinions?

That’s beneath all of us. Or it should be anyway.

I am particularly disappointed to see that Steven Ertelt from LifeNews.com is one of this year’s judges. As a very public leader of a respectable pro-life organization, he of all people should be sensitive to the fact that sexualizing and objectifying women is a dangerous example to set.

I understand the idea of “sticking it to” the opposition by showing them that the beautiful people are on our side. I get that we are trying to show just how “cool” and “with it” we are, and that we are unafraid of popular culture.

I just think this list is trying too hard. Its participants are embarrassing themselves by engaging in and endorsing adolescent behavior.


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My brothers used to call me a prude when I go after them for the bad language and nasty “jokes”, and it made me feel terrible, but when I looked it up, it is a good thing, when the original meaning is used… just an FYI.  Society has made it into a bad thing.

I do not like the “hottie” thing for any situation/gender.  That is not an important thing and so many are using this as a basis of who they are, including really little girls.  It is so sad to me.

 

Aaaand we wonder why they don’t take us seriously.
Though I must admit my first thought was, “They chose Pamela Geller over Laura Ingraham?”

 

Erin, I’m on the same page as you! My first thought was “Yuck!” and my second was, Where the heck is Rachel Campos-Duffy?!”

Thanks for sharing your opinions, Danielle. Nice job!

 

Danielle, I participated in the judging of the contest as a way to promote the numerous pro-life women in social and new media who were included.

The contest is in no way “sexualizing and objectifying women” any more than beauty pageants millions of men and women willingly participate in across the country. Many pro-life women have participated in them as a means of promoting abstinence and pro-woman, pro-life messages and they should be honored for that, not called an “embarrassment” or “adolescent.”

To me, this is a case of misplaced frustration and outrage.

The real outrage over the treatment of women belongs not to conservatives and pro-lifers who are honoring them but abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood, who see women as cattle to be rushed through in abortions. They exploit and victimize girls by covering up cases of sexual abuse and arranging abortions on them with the sex traffickers who victimize them. They lie about the damaging effects abortions has on women medically, spiritually, and mental health-wise. They say nothing of the sex-selection abortions and the human rights abuses happening to women in China under the one-child policy.

The real outrage over the treatment of women also belongs to people like Rep. Anthony Weiner, who, while bashing pro-life people for supposedly being anti-woman by opposing abortion and taxpayer funding of abortions, engages in multiple online relationships with women at the same time as is wife is newly pregnant.

Let’s spend our time criticizing these real anti-woman targets, not those celebrating them.

 

You mention “willing participants” in beauty pageants - but did all the women being rated for this list agree to have their relative hotness rated and discussed online?  Not all of us would willingly participate in a pageant and would hate to be gawked at for a list like this. 
And what “the other side” does is irrelevant here.  No matter what poor choices I make, I can be certain of finding someone *way* worse to point at - but that hardly means that what I do is necessarily the right thing.

 

Slippery slope….

 

Steven, you don’t really believe this justification and rationalization you are spewing do you.  I have spent a lot of time teaching chastity to my teens and that they must begin by seeing beauty not “hot”-ness.  Beauty is appreciating the wonderful way that God put a particular person together.  At first, it is usually exterior, but can be evaluated and appreciated on a deeper level with time.  Being “hot” is more about the reaction my body makes when I look at the exterior of a person and is not something that can ever be appreciated any more deeply.  It is also something shallow because age will take it away.  You know this.  The whole “that woman is hot” thing often leads to the behaviors that lead many women to the abortionists table.  You know this.  You did wrong.  Admit it and do better.

 

Steven,  in rereading my comment, I certainly didn’t need to use the word “spewing”.  It was incendiary and unnecessary.  I do, however, stand by the rest of my post.

 

Danielle~
Obviously, not a list that’s complete since you’re not listed on there, hot mama!!
raspberry
Everyone has a different idea of who’s “hot”. How weird that they feel the need to do this.
Hugs~

 

Steven, would you appreciate your daughter being included on a “hot” list like this with anonymous strangers debating her attractiveness?

 

Steven, I appreciate the intent of your participation in that ‘contest.’ Seems like good intentions gone very awry, and you know what they say - the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

When I snooped around on that website, I saw several pictures on the landing page of women barely dressed (from other stories not associated with the ‘contest’). I can’t access the site now as it appears to be on overload, so I can’t quote the caption on one of the pictures, but it could of been classified as soft porn. You choosing to befriend folks associated with a site containing such objectifying material is very perplexing!

 

My first thought was well let them have their fun.  But then I wondered, why don’t men have something better to do than to lust after women on the internet??  Some of the comments weren’t very clean, and I’m sorry but this does not make our side look better.  Even if there was a myth about conservative women being ugly (which their isn’t) so what??!  Do looks really matter that much that you have to worry about breaking that stereotype?  Even if we were all hags, we’d still be better than people who support planned parenthood because they are ugly on the inside.

 

Steven’s response is very disappointing.  He doesn’t seem to care or even imagine how someone could be offended by this.  Then he changes the subject and rants about Planned Parenthood and abortion advocates, which has absolutely nothing to do with this sexist contest in question. In the last sentence, he seems to imply that criticism of him somehow “celebrates” pro-abortion forces.

His arrogance is astounding.

 

completely agree. sad. an “I’m sorry I didn’t consider that” would have gone so much farther than throwing in Weiner. I mean, why was that relevant??

 

What if the word “hot” were replaced by “gorgeous?”  I think that all 20 of those women are gorgeous, beautiful, attractive, lovely—choose a synonym.
I am just wondering if that would change anything…I haven’t really thought the whole thing through yet.
But I also don’t think you can scold the judges for things said in the combox.

 

I actually think the word “hot” adds significantly to the offensiveness of the list. “Hot” is a sexualized word and demeaning to the women it’s applied to.

 

Danielle, I agree with you. Especially your comment directly above (can’t figure out how to reply to a reply?)  It strikes me as a bit worldly to have to do this as a way of showing our presence in the culture.

As an aside, I must also add that I had the exact same embarrassed reaction when I saw the term ‘DH’ replaced with ‘RHL’ in tweets shared among some of my favorite Catholic mom bloggers. It really did, for me, cast a little bit of a disappointing shadow over women I’ve read and admired for so many years.

 

Just so no one’s being “coy” here, I want to clarify that I am one of the bloggers who used RHL (red hot lover) on Twitter as a reference to my husband. There’s a huge difference between a wife who refers to her husband like that and a group of men who sexualize a list of women they only know in pictures.

 

Reached your “reply” as I was scrolling down, and that is exactly what I was thinking when I read Steven’s response.  Not sure if the list totally offends me, tho I’m not to up with it either.  But if one cannot see that beautiful and hot are two completely different adjectives with completely different meanings, than our vocabulary, if not our mindset, certainly needs a tune up.  Think about it in these terms: if your husband tells another woman who is all dressed up she is looking beautiful, would you consider it the same thing if he told her she is looking hot?  The 20 Most Beautiful Women is entirely different, and one cannot believe that those naming this contest did not decide to use hot as the term casually.

 

“Hot” as in “hot pants” (for example) or when rating women’s attractiveness is define by Google as “sexually exciting”.  True beauty is not skin deep, so to encourage people to rate beauty or “hotness” on a physical scale is just wrong. I have a healthy dose of testosterone flowing through my veins and I know a beautiful woman when I see one but as a Christian and a TOB fan I instinctively know it’s wrong to rate “hotness”. What happened to the concept of “custody of the eyes”? As a man, if I’m asked to rate hotness I’m forced to make judgements on a scale of sexual excitement which includes the size and shape of all the curvy bits. Men are wired to be sexually excited by visual stimuli. I’m a healthy man (thank God) so, I’m not going there.  “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5:28

 

I agree that the term “hot” is what makes the whole thing ugly as it reduces the women to sexual objects to feel warm in the groin over.  Saying “beautiful” or “gorgeous” implies a physical beauty that both sexes can appreciate.  “Beautiful” particularly speaks of beauty across the spectrum- morally, mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally (at least to me).
  All people are drawn to attractiveness of any variety.  I can look at an attractive woman in an admiring and non-jealous way, and I can even look at an attractive man and admire his good looks without lust, the same as if I look at a fine example of a horse or a rose - are men not capable of doing the same?  And if they aren’t, maybe it’s because we are constantly catering to their basest nature.

 

Totally agree, Danielle.  It seems to me that the intentions were good, but misguided.

 

I don’t see any real difference between sexualizing a husband versus a stranger in the virtual world. Sexualizing a person, regardless of who they are, is objectification.  Sentiments like these may be fine in the bounds and intimacy of marriage, but Tweets are very public and go to a lot of people.  How is what the men did so very different?

 

You really don’t see a difference between viewing some stranger on the internet is a sexual way, and doing so with your own husband?  If I *didn’t* sexualize my husband from time to time, I think something would be very wrong with our relationship!

 

Dee,
You are right making such a strong sexual comment about your husband to xxxx number of your twitters is a lot different than talking to him alone.  It is not fun or playful when done in public.  “Hot” is not used in society has a fun or playful word—it has specific inferences which is why Danielle posted this topic in the first place. It seem to be pretty clear to her what hot implies and she is setting a double standard.

I mentioned this to my husband to get his opinion on if I was being too much of a prude.  His reaction was instant—very surprised and agreed that sharing or calling your husband a “red hot lover” is sexual and intimate and should be shared within the confines of a marriage relationship not with all your twitter friends.  I never before found myself to be more conservative then other writers in this blog—I am today.  And really I never thought about using the term in private either—it has a cheap connotation to it that I don’t think is sincere—my husband is more beloved and dear but I really don’t have the need to tweet to anyone about my husband anyway!!!

 

To be more forthcoming I have to admit that I thought it was inappropriate to share with our NFP instructor how often or little we had sex.  This was in days noted on our charts which was “required” by the method we were using and were being told that we could not be adequately taught without that notation but later had more understanding So I may be a real prude:) Perhaps it is different boundaries. I am not implying Danielle is cheap.  I think she is lovely and has a great heart.  However, there is always room for discussion.  I think it takes certain qualitites to put your name out there on the internet and be dissected by everyone. I personally have no desire to be on that kind of platform and have a hard enough time keeping up with the people that are present before me.  I could not imagine trying to keep up with anyone’s tweets as well.

 

I wouldn’t say you’re necessarily more conservative, just more private and way more serious.

 

Today I am confused as to why so many think telling people your husband is a red hot lover is acceptable.  Someone here defined it as “sexually exciting”  Really, I’m too serious to think that maybe we should not be sharing how our husbands are in bed with the internet world?  I know the intent may have been different but we have to think about how it is heard and received.

 

I am somewhat of a prude and do not admire women for their looks or fashion.  I do think that this could be a way to prove a useful point to others who may be drawn in by this kind of thing.  It would be helpful to get rid of the word “hot”. It does objectify women.

I definitely would not be discussing my husband in a tweet, FB or otherwise as my RHL
(Red hot lover) I would use it in an intimate discussion with my husband.  However, I don’t need to conjure up any images or sexual thoughts in people minds about my intimate life with my husband. How about my DBH my dear, beloved husband?

I’m surprised ,Danielle, that you nail Steven for this one but when one of your own writer’s here at F and F, Simcha Fischer, posted a picture of a guy in a red diaper looking outfit with the caption “chock a block full of ****”  on her blog (on May 4). There is no response or criticism for that one?.  Just puzzled by that and the inconsistency there.

 

That fact that this post is so offensive you need to ***** part of it should really make a point.  If someone writes for you and has a place in your ministry call them to a set of standards online.  It does not matter whether it is posted here or on their personal blog.  The connection is made.  Maybe you should all sign a contract stating you will uphold church teaching in your blogs—a post like this on a Catholic mom’s blog does not uphold church teaching.  There is no excuse for it or humor in it.

 

I am a prude.  Always have been, always will be.  However, the only thing that offended me about the list was the word “hottie” as in “sexy.”  If it had said “10 beautiful conservative women” I would be fine with it, especially since “beautiful” can be refer to both inward and outward beauty. But rating women’s sexiness is definitely not compatible with TOB.  And I have to agree with Beth that we really shouldn’t be publicly calling our spouse sexy either.  But then I am a prude.

 

When I checked out the site there were some disgusting advertising pictures down the bottom of the page, advertising (or were they past articles? I didn’t dare look!) for ‘Top 10 unique bikinis’ and ‘Hot Twins Gallery’, basically with topless pictures of women. Up the top of the page: ‘For advertising info write .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  Anyway, that aside, I agree with you ladies. Acknowledging beauty is totally different to labeling someone as the ‘hot’. Did these women participate willingly in a ‘beauty contest’? I doubt it. The pictures of them look like they were just cut and pasted from various sites on the web.

I also think RHL is a term better suited to the private realm.

 

C’mon ladies, it’s pretty humorless to be offended by someone referring to her husband as RHL—it’s just playful and funny.  I’d way prefer someone calling their husband RHL to (groan) “dear beloved husband.”  I mean, there is a place for being serious, but DBH used more than once is so . . . sappy.  And letting others know you’d save RHL for actual use in private?  Well NOW the actual sexually intimate images are coming to mind.  Ewww. Cheesy!

 

Just rereading my comment—don’t care for my tone. RHL cracks me up—the thought of saying it seriously to my husband makes me giggle.  But I should not have said “groan,” “ew” and “cheesy” to get my point across, unless I’m talking in person to a close friend, and for that I’m sorry.  I can understand that others disagree with the use of RHL.

 

Check out New Advent’s post on “Top 10 Reasons Women Should Dress Modestly.” Just sayin.

 

and the follow up to the article at the same site: “Top 10 Reasons Men Should Practice Custody of the Eyes.”

 

Is there really no better way to “promote the numerous pro-life women in social and new media” than by having such a contest? What if the person who had the most articulate, best-written blog was ugly (by the judges’ standards, anyway)? Would her blog not be worth promoting? What a waste of time.

 

The word “hot” definitely bothers me, but so does the idea of a panel of men judging these women based on their looks.

I’m sorry, Mr. Ertelt, but you are objectifying women regardless of how vehemently you may deny it and to objectify women (in addition to simply being demeaning) contributes directly to a culture of death (something I know you feel very passionately about defeating). There are better ways to promote these women—ways that don’t involve titillating men. All it would take is a little creativity.

Also, pointing your finger at everyone but yourself strikes me as a straw man argument intended to take heat off yourself. What is in question here is not whether Planned Parenthood, Rep. Weiner or anyone else has done something wrong, it’s whether you and your fellow panelists have. Let’s stick to the point.

 

Exactly, man up Ertelt and admit this was misguided instead of pointing out China’s one child policy!  Come on!

 

Hallie - you nailed it!  Judging from his work I’m happy to give Mr. Ertelt’s the benefit of the doubt and assume his intent was not to sexualize or objectify women (though it’s pretty clear from the reaction of the women here that that was exactly what this list did).  However, his response was like a punch to the gut.  Yes, Planned Parenthood is bad.  Yes, it’s worse than this list.  That does NOT, however, make the list any less degrading.

 

Wow!  “Hot” topic!  Pardon the pun. :0)  I have to share my story of dealing with the term ‘hot’ with my 3rd grade daughter.  She came home from Catholic school using the term to describe a boy classmate.  In shock, I asked how she knew that word.  “I heard it in line”.  Needless to say, we had a long talk about the inappropriateness of that word being used in that context.  Haven’t heard it since, thanks be to God!  If we grownups use it, the ‘trickle down’ theory will eventually reach them.  Is that what we want?

 

Does Steve want his wife and daughter to make the list? My husband changed his nickname for me to initials to hide its content. And enjoying our spouse is God’s gift to our marriage. But encouraging otehrs to gawk at our sister’s, moms and daughters? Not Acceptable. Period.

 

I think by the title of ” 20 hottest women” there is already a subtle statement that somehow these women have more value because of their appearance, and that this is what a woman’s value is based on.  The corollary to this is that women who are unattractive or old have less value.  In other words, the whole idea is inherently NOT pro-life.  I find the whole thing offensive.

 

Jill Stanek put up a post promoting the list and called it “Celebrating Beautiful Pro-Life Women” on Twitter. So it looks like the intent was to really promote pro-life women, and not what some people here are claiming.

 

Ends don’t justify means. 

I think what Danielle is pointing out here is that while “rating women” may be socially acceptable and seem harmless to many people, at it’s very root, is the objectification to women, and encourages further objectification.

Rating women in terms of hotness, even if it’s relative to other pro life women, and for a good cause, reduces these women to mere objects.

If in the end you’ve promoted these women and gain exposure for them, but have subtly spread the idea that it is ok to rank women’s value in terms of there physical stature, then I would propose that not only have you harmed the women, but the men whom you’ve now silently encouraged to rank and objectify women, of which many may already struggle with such an issue.

 

As I read the replies, there is one thing that is very clear; each one of us has a temperament of our very own, such as melancholy, sanquin, etc, or a combination.  There is a great book out there, “The Temperament God Gave You: The Classic Key to Knowing Yourself, Getting Along with Others, and Growing Closer to the Lord”, that might be very helpful in all parts of our lives.  Much about modesty, chastity, etc is taught to us at home, yet our temperaments steer us, too, and the trick is using that temperament for what God wants of us, and steering it, when needed, instead of us being steered.  Enjoy and Christ’s peace!  (There is a paragraph on the link that is a great “teaser”) http://www.amazon.com/Temperament-God-Gave-You-Yourself/dp/1933184027


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