How about a rocking chair or an arm chair to nurse baby? I was just never comfortable or coordinated enough to pull this off during Mass.
Cry Room Wish List
Posted by Lisa Hendey in Faith on Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:25 PM
This past weekend, I served a stint in the “cry room” of an Indiana parish with my wonderful nephew Tyler. I volunteered for my sentence, since I love Tyler beyond measure and wanted to treat his parents to a stress free mass experience, minus the wrangling of a squirmy preschooler.
My sister is very wise about the Cry Room. Her family rightly refers to it as the “Quiet Room”, and it is not a place for toys, rambunctious behavior or snacks. As I remarked to her after Mass, Ty is likely ready to sit with his parents and brother in the main sanctuary now after his training time in the Quiet Room.
After Mass, I pondered Rachel’s recent and very wonderful conversation starter article on the Cry Room. Today, I don’t so much want to debate the topic of whether or not we should have them. What I do want to share is my personal “wish list” for parishes that do offer a separate, quiet space for families. Call my Pollyanna, but I think if we are going to encourage Cry Rooms, they should be a training ground for our youngest parishioners to learn to love the Mass and Eucharist. As a result, the following is my “Cry/Quiet Room Wish List”:
1. A Pastor who understands. Please Father, come and spend one Sunday sitting with the families in the Cry Room at your parish. Tell them why you are doing it—so that you can appreciate and improve their experience. They will likely be intimidated by your presence, and you may not get the “real” experience, but you will be able to get some small sense of what your parishioners deal with on any given Sunday.
2. A decent sound system. Number one above may help the priest and staff to understand that in many Cry Rooms, the sound system actually encourages unruly behavior since the sound we hear in the Cry Room is very different (and often much more quiet) than what we would hear in the main church.
3. Clearly posted rules. Please set a few standards for this sacred space, including but not limited to: NO FOOD, “quiet voices please”, no unsupervised children (I don’t think a seven year old taking the two year old to the Cry Room is a good solution), please clean up after yourself, and no electronic toys (I’d say “no toys” but that may be too hard core for little ones who need a favorite stuffed animal along for Mass).
4. A Cry Room Ministry. Call me crazy, but I would volunteer for this—to be an extra set of hands in the cry room for parents who find themselves in there with three kids and a sudden diaper emergency. Find old ladies like me who miss having little ones around and put us to work actually helping, encouraging and loving young families, instead of scowling at them to be quiet.
5. Catholic books in the Cry Room. The parish I visited this weekend had a very nice basket on the floor filled with books about super heroes, princesses and cars, but not one single Catholic book for the little ones. The closest thing were two “Veggie Tales” board books. We know that there are all kinds of terrific books for little Catholics out there from sources like Pauline Books & Media. If budgeting for these books is an issue, invite local bookstores, businesses or families to “sponsor” a book for the Cry Room or to donate gently used Catholic books.
My “wish list” could go on and on but I’d prefer to invite you to share your thoughts on this topic. Again, this is not a debate on the place of Cry Rooms in our Church, but rather your suggestions on ways in which the “Quiet Room” experience could be improved for families, our parishes and especially for our children.
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I’d also request that the room be used just for families with little ones. In our cry room, I’ve seen adults who just arrived late, teenagers playing handheld video games, etc. If you don’t have a little one, go to the sanctuary! This goes along with Morningmama’s suggestion too. I never minded nursing a baby at church, but would prefer not to have to be squeezed in tightly next to teenage boys to do it.
I wish for some kneelers or a prie-dieu or two. Maybe even put in a pew or two back there instead of chairs—making the cry room look and feel like “regular church”, just enclosed in glass, might help us in training our children on how to behave when they are sitting in a regular pew.
Our parish is an old cathedral with no cry room and I think my almost-2 yo son associates the look and feel of the church, its pews, etc with our behavior expectations. He is content, for the most part, with being in our arms/on our laps and being quiet—when he’s not repeating the words of the Mass out loud!—bc the space is so different than anywhere else he goes and therefore he associates that unique space with a unique set of behaviors—being quiet and contained.
When we expect the same church behavior in a space that looks like a playroom—ie a cry room with a large open carpeted space and soft chairs or the occasional church that looks like that—he gets confused and frustrated because our expectations clash with his. After all, in other carpeted rooms with chairs and toys he is allowed to play and be loud—why would this space be different?
as a wife with a deployed spouse, a cry room ministry sounds like heaven on earth.
or at least a foretaste!
This cryroom that you describe - one built by the angels themselves - would be such a help for us at mass, even when my husband IS home. when my choices are babysitting or mass, i obviously bring to mass (i want my kids to learn how to behave at church and they can’t do so not there; plus, lets be honest, they wouldn’t go), but spend the whole time riding herd on them. if i had a space where i could HEAR and not have to be quite as uptight (i mean they are little boys under 3 afterall), but still maintain respectful quiet and no crazy toy atmosphere, it would be SUCH a blessing.
and, i totally applaud the Catholic book suggestion too. we bring a “mass bag” with our own, but new stuff is always more interesting. however, we are super strict that Church time is for Church things (we want them to learn that this is a “special” time and a special day) - so buzz and woody and mater stay in the car because they aren’t for church. Truck and princess books in the cry room really go against that standard we’re trying to uphold!
I hated sitting in the “Mother’s chapel.” I have a friend who left the Church because of the way an usher looked at her in the “Mother’s Chapel.” You might think it was petty, but if you aren’t being welcomed, that goes a long way in how you feel at church. Anyways, I hated sitting in there because the kids in there are usually loud, which would encourage my children to be loud. I could never hear, because of the kids loudness and because of the horrible sound in there. I am printing this off and I am going to share this with my pastor.
This was quite surprising for me. In Brazil we have evangelization grupos for children in many parishes. they go to a separate room with activities for children. we have the same discussion if would be better to keep them with their parents, but I dont know any parish that have “cry rooms”. Mainly, I suppose, because of costs, which are relatively higher for us to build one.
No markers, crayons or playdoh. No adults without children (why one would torture themselves in this way is beyond my comprehension). And please, add some KNEELERS! Or at least leave some room for kneeling on the floor. The CLEAN floor. Our “cry room” has so many problems (like access to the restroom being THROUGH the cry room!), that despite have multiple young children, I choose to take my child outside rather than go there.
I’m sorry, but I don’t agree with the “no food” rule. I think that needs to be left to the discretion of parents. There are times when it is necessary to give a toddler a snack or a sippy cup (for example, if he didn’t finish breakfast in time to get to Mass on time, or if it’s an afternoon Mass that is running into the dinner hour). I don’t use the Cry Room because my son is rarely disruptive during Mass, but I do occasionally have to discretely give him a snack for those reasons, and if I needed the Cry Room I would want this decision to be left to my discretion. As long as the parents are keeing the child from being disruptive, I don’t think this is for others to dictate.
While in general I don’t have a problem with food in church, my little ones start throwing a fit if they see some other little one with food when they don’t have any. They will be totally fine (and have eaten a good breakfast before mass), but if someone has goldfish behind us, we are totally in trouble.
Well, I really try to avoid it, and it’s gotten rarer and rarer as he’s gotten older. On the rare occasion that I have needed to give him something, it’s been something boring like cheerios, and I try my best to be discrete about it. Maybe it’s easier because we are in the church where all the kids aren’t necessarily right near us.
Claire, I know you “get” it re: food allergies, so this is not directed toward you, but I am replying to your comment as a general topic about food in the cry room.
Church/Mass used to be one place one could count on *not* to incorporate food (other than the Bread from Heaven, that is!!)
Imagine my surprise when we slid into the pew one Sunday with our multiple food allergic kiddo to find crushed Goldfishes and peanut butter & Ritz crackers left behind…all over the place. (I can hear it now, “For the processional hymn, please open your hymnals to Hymn# 911, “What a Friend We Have in Epinephrine”...)
I get it, that we live in a time/age where it’s acceptable to whip out food & beverage of choice for kids at any time & in any place. But, just as I’m okay w/the folks at our swim club “sneaking” a few bites of food to their kiddo even though it’s against the rules, I would hope that if people are planning & packing a snack for Mass, they also pack wipes & baggies to wipe down the rails, hymnals, pews, kneelers, floors, & cart out their mess & contaminants.
Thank God my son has made it almost to the age of reason…but when he squirmed off my lap as a 2 year old & to my horror I saw that he was reaching for a cheesy Goldfish - well, let’s just say my assumptions did an about-face that day!
I learned the hard way about bringing food for my baby. We used to sit right in the front of the church, because she would enjoy all the “action” on the alter. One day, I gave her a bottle during the homily (it was a fail-safe way to ensure that I could actually hear it). Right when the deacon announced that we could offer each other the sign of peace, she vomited ALL OVER THE FRONT OF THE CHURCH. It was so embarrassing, messy, and disruptive. I have learned to nurse her before the Mass, now. I take the time to ensure that her belly is full and that she’s feeling good before we sit down.
Steph, I totally agree! People who feed their kids at church (or anywhere, for that matter) really need to clean up after themselves, especially in this day and age with food allergies being so common.
Holly, I used to feed my son bottles at church all the time when he was a baby. It helped keep him calm and occupied, and he wasn’t much of a spitter. (We also sat toward the back in case I needed to remove him, but honestly he is 3 years 8 months and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve had to remove him from Mass.) It goes to show that every situation is different and there is no one-size fits all approach that will work for each family.
I definitely think you have to allow bottles and sippy cups with water. Although I didn’t bring food much, the bottle and then the sippy cup (with water) was absolutely 100% necessary for our colicky babies. If didn’t have those things my husband and I would have had to switch off to go to mass.
I’m sure this isn’t the case in all parishes, but our parish draws people from all over the area. This means that some families have a 30 minute or more commute to church. Even if you feed or nurse an infant or toddler before you leave, if you are leaving 40-45 minutes before mass starts, a baby or toddler may not make it all the way through mass without a small snack, especially if that mass ends close to the snack or meal time they are accustomed to during the week. A handful of cheerios, a small sippy of milk or a bottle may help. There is just no way of knowing what the situation for each individual family is. There are parents who bring a whole bag full of snacks simply for convenience and let all their kids treat it as a free for all, but in our experience at least, most parents are not abusing food in the church. For every family you notice with a snack there are probably a dozen you never knew bring something regularly.
But of course, no matter the circumstances, parents should be discrete and clean up any messes afterwards. And when the child is old enough, they should learn to be discrete too. By the time my kids are 2, they know they are only allowed snacks at certain times during mass and they must be sitting down in the pew. But I do think that food in church for the 2 and under crowd can be tolerated.
Rebecca, that’s exactly how I feel, that it’s impossible to know the situation for every family. In my case, my son is a tiny little boy who only recently made it above the 5th percentile for weight. When he was a baby, there was no way I could give him a bottle before he was hungry. He wouldn’t take it until he was ready. So feeding him before Mass wasn’t an option based on our parish’s Mass schedule (and to be honest, I liked the fact that the Mass times coincided with his feeding times, because drinking a bottle during Mass kept him quiet). Even after he turned 1 and stopped drinking bottles, there was no way that I would deprive him of a few cheerios or a sippy cup when he was hungry, even if that occurred during Mass. His weight was way too precarious to deny him food when he wanted it. Now that he’s older, it is easier for me to feed him ahead of time because he’s more open to eating than he used to be; I no longer have to wait till he’s really hungry. Anyway, that’s just an example of how our situation is unique, and I’m sure there are a hundred other variations out there. The bottom line is that if people are considerate and discreet, there would be no need for all these rules. In any case, it’s really nice that this discussion has been so polite and charitable from people of all different viewpoints on the topic.
I think there needs to be a reminder that some parents have special needs children. A whole spectrum of behavior and learning disabilities. A young dad in the cry room with me last weekend apologized for having a loud son, that he had autism. I told him it was a “cry room” it wasn’t supposed to be quiet, a repetition of what a wise mature mom had told me a few years ago when my baby was crying in there during mass and I felt guilty for making the noise. Our cry room is filthy with wall paper peeling off the walls and sticky floor, and the sound system is broken. A big sign reads “absolutely no food or drink” but that doesn’t stop some moms from breaking out the snacks in protest. I’m learning to slowly stop judging and start being more empathetic towards other parents. I don’t know who their kid is, what challenges they have getting to mass. I’m just going to assume they are trying and thank God that they are at mass and pray for the parents who aren’t there. Try to have a little more empathy too!
Here is my suggestion for improving the cry room for families:
Take the time to greet families after Mass. Especially the family that irritated you the most and whose child exhibited the worst behavior. I think we might find sometimes there is more than our eyes can see. We never know what someone else is going thru or where they are on their spiritual journey. Perhaps the way you act or your child acts could rub off on them. Maybe they might even ask you how you keep your child so well behaved. Or maybe you would find out their child has special needs. Let me tell you I am the first one to be bothered and this would be challenging for me.
This is so true! When my oldest were little I had a particularly hard Mass at our new church. One woman I thought was upset (just wrinkles ) came up and praised the two biggest for being so good and gave them a brand new box of animal crackers. I was so relieved.
A cry room ministry would be great! I only have a one-year-old, so I understand that no food or no toys or quiet time makes sense for older kids, but I don’t think it makes sense for the babies. If people had decided that the cry room was supposed to be quiet, with no toys, then I would have to take the baby out of there, too, if he screams. I agree that the cry room shouldn’t just become chaos, but it seems to me that the point of it is not so much for the kids (at least the littlest ones) but the parents—so that we can take care of the kids and avoid disturbing people, but still hear Mass! So we should be allowed to do whatever—within reason—keeps the kids happy so that we can still be present at Mass.
I agree with you, Lilacs. When my son was younger we brought cloth books and his Magna Doodle to Mass to keep him quiet. As he got older we weaned him off these things, and now he doesn’t need anything to help him get through Mass. What bothers me at my parish is that the Cry Room is full of loud toys. Personally, I don’t think the church should supply any toys. If parents find it helpful to bring some quiet toys to help their kids get through Mass, that should probably be left to their discretion.
1) outlet plug covers. I don’t let my kids cruise all over the place, but it amazes me how many parishes we’ve been to that have an uncovered plug less than a foot from the pew we’re in.
2) elevated seating. If there were some way to raise us up a foot or two. I believe the vast majority of cry rooms are in the very back of churches. (or side…behind ROWS of people) this leaves the kids trying to understand what’s going on when all they can see is adults backs at best. If we could find a way to put a platform in so at least adults, or parents holding their kids could see what was happening during the liturgy it would be much easier to see and explain what’s happening and for them to follow.
3) a sign reminding people to please follow along w/ mass…including the responses! I don’t know how many times I’ve been in there w/ 5+ other adults and been the only one singing or doing the responses. (And since you can barely hear the speakers I spend 1/2 the time second guessing myself)
It seems like every one of these rules is something that could cause a hardship to a family with special needs. A diabetic child or a pregnant mother may need food. A voice synthesizer looks awfully like a video game (at least, to me). An allergic older child may be in the cry room because it seems safer than dealing with peanut butter smeared on the pews. An autistic child may look like a bratty child who should behave better. My baby won’t nurse when he’s distracted, so I have to find someplace (like the confessional) that has no speaker to nurse him during Mass and the really amplified sound in some cry rooms gives ME a headache.
Maybe just a reminder to think seriously about what you are doing to make sure that you really need to make an exception to the normal rules of public behavior before you do it? For instance, “If you absolutely must bring food to church, please be VERY discrete and clean up after your child. Otherwise, please bring a non-allergenic snack for every child under 7 who may be near you. NB. Although rare, rice allergies DO exist.”
My church doesn’t have a cry room. Usually by the sermon (about 30 hour thru) I need to take my 16 month old son out to the vestibule or confessional. He hasn’t been a crier, but as soon as he started crawling, then walking he hasn’t sit still for long. I find it difficult for him to sit still at home for even a 5 minute book; is there some sort of way to get an active kid his age to sit still for an hour and 20 minutes? I saw his cousin (a girl) the same age sit still for over two ours on someone’s lap with stories during the middle of the day. I’m pretty sure it’s just different temperaments, but any advice would be helpful.
This post caught my attention, as my experience as a mom at church has been quite different in many ways, yet very positive, so here’s what I have to share…
Our church does not have a cry room, but it has many many children who attend mass regularly with young and old alike, without much disruption. The church welcomes children in the main church, and our former monsiegnor used to call the occassional sounds the children make “sounds of God”. We have a basket full of only Christian children’s book at each entrance families may borrow to occupy restless ones. The kids are a part of the mass in other ways too. One mass is designated a “children’s mass”, when the children’s choir sings, and the readings at this mass used to be read in children’s words, instead of word for word as written. First communion class kids are invited to the altar during the homily for a personal discussion with the priest who delivers that week’s gospel reading in a way a child can relate. During every mass, children going up during communion receive a blessing if they are not old enough to receive. Plus all young children are invited to the altar just before Mass ends for a blessing from the priest as well.
I have been bringing my kids to this church since the day they were born, and during the nursing days, when my oldest started to fuss, I would bring her to the foyer area just outside the main hall to nurse her, while still listening to the mass over the speaker system installed there. As a toddler, my youngest would become upset at times having to sit quietly for so long, so I made a “church bag” for her with christian coloring books to keep her busy. This has kept her very happy ever since. Now she is older,6, and can join the rest of us sitting, listening, pondering, learning to pray…
We have brought an occassional (non-electric) toy or snack in during difficult days when we might not last without it. These haven’t been overly disruptive, nor are the same items other families bring in when needed. Most understand their responsibility in keeping the church neat and quiet. When kids just can’t make it through the whole mass on some days, and become too loud, they are brought to the foyer or hallways until next time, when maybe they’ll have a better day.
I’ve seen these separate rooms for kids in some churches and always felt thankful that our church has not had one. I feel my children are being brought up as a part of the whole church community, and learn by imitating the others they see, including their parents, other children, and seniors as well (who love to see all the children during mass!).
As for rules….I guess I feel like in any public setting, it’s a parent’s role to set the rules for their children on what is expected. I have had to reward my kids once in a while for being on their “best behavior” while at mass, just to remind them that we expect it of them. When they were very little, it took time for this to sink in, and at times, one child would spend most of mass with one parent out in the foyer/hall. But this didn’t last long, and the best result of all of this is that we can sit in church together, as a family, with the entire church community sharing our faith process together.
This discussion makes me very thankful for our parish’s nursery, concurrent preschool program and concurrent Children’s Liturgy for ages 6-10 (exits at the start of mass and returns at offertory) program at our 9:30am mass during the school year. But these programs require organizers and volunteers and a supportive pastor. Perhaps, in some parishes, if there were enough demand, it might be easier to organize a nursery or other program rather than to overhaul the cry room?
I think the cry room could be improved by gently reminding parishoners that they are not in their own homes. When we are in someone else’s home it’s important to follow certain rules of ettiquette, right? I would never go over to a friends home and give my child a snack and sippy cup to eat on their couch, so why would I do so at church? I would not visit a friend that had school aged children and expect her home to be child proofed perfectly and prepared with age appropriate books just for me. You follow the standards of the house that you’re in and if that involves praying for a little extra grace for an hour and doing the best you can with what’s available, then that’s what you do. I think it’s impossible to convert the cry room into a “quiet room” because it’s original intent was a place for parents to take their fussy children out of the sanctuary. I know our comments aren’t supposed to talk about whether the cry room should exist, but it’s almost impossible not to because if we would like the cry room to reflect the sanctuary the only way to do that is to not have it closed off from the sanctuary, but then it wouldn’t be a “cry room” anymore. I think a great way to make cry rooms, sanctuaries, and our parishes in general more child friendly is for families to really get involved in their parishes. Invite your priest over for a family dinner and bring up the subject with him—“Father, what’s your opinion on the role of children in our parish…What’s the best way to train our Children to love the mass?” Personally, I would love to see the back two or three pews reserved for nursing or bottle feeding moms. There seems to be an unspoken rule that the first pew or two is reserved for the elderly and disabled, so why not a similar etiquette involving the last few pews? On a side note, it would be interesting to be able to look back in time hundreds of years to see what women and children did during mass. Having visited many churches in Italy during my honeymoon I recall that most if not all of them were far from anything any of us would consider child friendly. I’m not saying we should return to that time, but how did nursing moms with toddlers handle it before all of our modern conveniences?
When I visit friends, I bring snacks and sippy cups for my son, and no one has ever been offended by this. When friends with children come to my house (including before I had children of my own), I had no problem with them bringing snacks for their kids either. If they didn’t bring any, I would offer them. (Not that I would expect the church to provide snacks, but if a toddler needs a snack and a mother is able to offer it (along with a no-spill sippy cup) discreetly and clean up afterward, then I really don’t think this is a breach of etiquette. As far as outlet covers and other child-proofing measures, I wouldn’t expect that in the sanctuary, but in a cry room that has the purpose of providing a setting for young children, it seems appropriate.
Erin Manning at “And Sometimes Tea” has written about women and kids not having to go to Mass back in the day. I think you were dispensed if you had young children. Not exactly what we’re going for these days.
It’s good to not act all entitled about what the church can provide for me. It’s also good for churches to help guide behavior and some rules might be helpful. There are the people whose older kids are running around yelling. Our cry room is so disruptive that our 3-year-old has long been better behaved than the average 8-year-old in it. Maybe parents would benefit from a reminder about what it is really for.
Along those lines…maybe some posted rules about dresscode? Just basic stuff, like “Wear clothes” and “Don’t come to church naked.”
I love when parishes have a cry room. The only thing I wish I could add to it is for those of us in it to be remembered at communion time. In my parish extraordinary ministers bring to Eucharist to the disabled, the frail elderly, the musicians, and the choir rather having them get in line. But if I were feeding a baby or struggling with an unruly toddler at communion time I’d have to skip receiving our Lord.
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