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Dating Non-Catholics

How would you advise your child?

The incredibly awesome Patrick Madrid has an interesting blog post up today regarding his conversation with a recent caller to his “Open Line” radio show.  Accompanying the post is the actual audio recording of a young man calling to discuss with Patrick his recent break up with a girlfriend who did not share his Catholic faith.  As I listened to this nineteen year old describe the situation, my thoughts immediately went to my own son Eric, who is now eighteen.

Patrick kindly listened to the young man, encouraged him, and gave him good advice.  Then following the call—and in his blog post—he encouraged parents listening to the show to dissuade their children from entering into dating relationships with non-Catholics.  On his blog, Patrick counsels:

My basic premise, which I advert to in this audio segment is that, more often than not, mixed marriages (i.e., when a Catholic marries a non-Catholic) are a recipe for serious problems down the road in that marriage. My advice to Catholic parents is, teach your children well the importance of finding a devoutly Catholic spouse. Eventually, if you haven’t taught them this maxim and they, as a result, do not act on it, you will very likely see problems springing up in your extended family due to your sons and daughters being, in a certain sense, unequally yoked with non-Catholics. Word to the wise.

I’m still mulling over Patrick’s advice in my own mind.  My sons have dated non-Catholic young ladies.  I did so myself, of course, marrying Greg—who later went on to join the Church, after we’d been married for a very long time.  My boys are still of the age where we can, and do, closely supervise their friendships.  But I can honestly say I haven’t told them that they cannot date someone solely based upon religion.  Of course, if I saw either of them begin to become very serious with someone, I would definitely have a conversation about this—and my end of that would be firmly rooted in my own “real world” experiences.

I’d love to hear what you think of Patrick’s advice and how you have—or will—handle this situation in your homes.


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Well, since I wasn’t Catholic when I started dating my husband (I converted before we got married, but not *because* we were getting married), I would disagree with his advice.  I agree that mixed marriages can be tough, but you never know who you might draw to the Church through dating or even friends.  Not to mention, while I know there is a stereotype about converts (that sometimes we can be more “zealous” than cradle Catholics like my husband)- my hubby does say that I am “more Catholic” than any of the cradle Catholics he dated before me.  smile

Our priest said recently in a homily that we must be thankful for the people who have been drawn to the Church by marriage.  And we also need to acknowledge that some have left the Church via marriage, and pray for them.  I thought that was very thoughtful.

 

I, too, am a convert. My husband and I joined the Church together after we were married. I think it is certainly much easier to share your faith, and place God in the center of your marriage. However, there are a lot of misconceptions between Catholics and Protestants. I believe, that with Christ centered partners, Catholic or Protestant, as long as there is mutual respect and a striving toward God, a strong marriage is possible.

 

I also disagree with the idea that a Catholic should never date a non Catholic. My husband ( though Baptized Catholic ) attended a Christian church from his youth until we met. Unfortunately this church fed him many lies about the Catholic Church like ” Sins should be confessed to God privately ( without a priest) because “Catholic Priests use “knowing your sins” as a way to control you ” Honestly, how ridiculous ! This church as well as his Mother who left the Catholic church had caused my husband to be dead set against returning to the Catholic church. I knew that this was not a good thing but God seemed to be leading me to him and encouraging me to gently set the record straight a little at a time. Twelve months into the relationship we married and I felt pulled to attend church with my husband in a Christian church . When our first child was born, I was at Peace about getting her baptized in the Christian church and this is where God changed it all. Turned out that the Christian preacher refused to baptize our daughter because my husband’s job prevented him from attending many Wednesday night and twice on Sunday services( yep we were required to attend three a week and working to support his family was no excuse) When he refused my husband started to see the light. We had our daughter baptized in the Catholic church a couple weeks later . By the time I was pregnant with our second, my husband came back to the Catholic church for good.
To me God planned for us to marry and for circumstances to bring him back. If I was taught never to date a non Catholic, this would have never been possible !

 

I too have to disagree with Patrick’s advice on dating non-Catholics. My husband too is a convert to the Faith, and is pretty much the best Catholic I have ever met! My parents always told me it is important to share faith with your spouse, but they never judged who I was dating based upon their religious upbringing. I think that was wise. They now have two son-in-laws who are converts to Catholicism, and both my husband’s mother and sister are currently in RCIA classes to join the Church this Easter. Sometimes people just need the opportunity to be presented with the Fullness of Truth. Without an openess to people of different faiths there would be at least 4 less Catholics in the world.

 

I disagree too. In fact, I think it can be extremely destructive for parents to insist that their children only date catholics. I was in this situation with my now husband and the grief it caused was enormous when my parents refused to see him for what he was and could only see “not-practicing-catholic” whenever they met him. In fact my husband was a lapsed catholic who is gradually re-entering the church with a great deal of excitement and joy. If I had obeyed my parents in my late twenties I would have regretted it the rest of my life. Basically, I think the “catholics should only be with catholics” mentality is extremely ghetto-like. This isn’t the way to evangelise the world.

 

I understand Patrick’s viewpoint as the importance of being faithful to the same religion makes marriage issues, children and traditions easier.  I dated both Catholic and non Catholic and ultimately married a Protestant who converted before we married as he saw how important my faith was to me and my family, and he did not want any division in our home.  I guess I was truly blessed as 12 years later and two little ones we have no issues with where we stand as a family and in our faith as Catholics.  One of my sister married a non Christian and as a result her home and son are agnostic, which saddens me.  I do remember my father telling me that marrying someone Catholic would make my life easier, and at the time did not see the wisdom in his words, but can appreciate them with hindsight.  I think when my two start dating I will gently encourage the same words my father gave to me. Happy Thanksgiving Lisa…

 

In most of the situations I know of where the Catholic spouse married a non-Catholic, the result was a loss of regular Mass attendance, often replaced with attendance at some other church service that the non-Catholic spouse preferred.  Even very devout individuals are influenced against the practice of the Faith by marriage to non-Catholics.

For every person I know at Church who was drawn into the Church through marriage I know MANY others who were taken out by marriage.

What is more, the lack of unity between the spouses in most cases has led to the children lacking commitment to Catholicism even when raised in it. The influence of the non-Catholic parent is generally negative on the teaching of the Faith even when they try not to interfere. 

The vocation to marriage is hard enough without making the Catholic faith something you want to have in common with every person you date. Lack of unity can make success improbable if not impossible.

That is my $.02 worth.

 

I second the statement about many more people I know have been drawn away from their Faith, by marrying a non-Catholic. My husband has 5 siblings and I have 3, of all of them, only 2 married Catholics and only one of them practices the faith. Most of our siblings don’t go to church at all, only 2 attend Protestant services regularly. My dad isn’t baptised, yet he allowed my mom to raise us Catholic, for which I’m really grateful, but it has been a long, hard road for her ALONE. 
We’re definately encouraging our young adults to only date practicing Catholics so if they do get serious, they have so much more in common. (But they also know one-on-one ‘dating’ is only for serious relationships.) We’ve done a lot of pre-marriage counseling and have seen how much easier it is on everyone, if the couple shares a common faith.

 

My father married an anglican, who later converted to Catholicism.  I think it really depends on how open the person is.  My mother is the type who always looked up to my father and mostly went along with his decisions.  She officially converted when I was a young child but really came into the church when I was a teenager, after listening to Scott Hahn’s testimonies.  There was never (that I know of) any tension re: religion between the two, and she had previously agreed to bring us up Catholic.

On the other hand, I married a baptised Catholic, whom I thought was just non-practicing and had a few issues with the Catholic Church.  Turns out that he is actually much more anti-catholic and even anti-religion than I thought he was, and even in recent years, I have been shocked to see the depths of his anti-catholic, anti-life world-view.  I second the statement that it is VERY HARD bringing up children to be Catholic alone.

 

I can understand and appreciate Patrick’s advise.  My parents never encouraged or discouraged us one way or another - my mom is cradle Catholic and my dad a convert.  All 3 of us married non-Catholics.  My sister and I have stayed and grown closer to the church in our adult lives, even though our husbands have not converted.  My brother’s wife is a strong Southern Baptist and he attends church with her when he goes at all.  Unfortunately, she is hostile to Catholicism, refused to have the children baptised as infants, and he will probably never return to the church, but we continue to pray for him.  I’m sure that by marrying a Catholic man, certain parts of my life and faith would have been “easier”, but I wouldn’t change my spiritual journey or my husband.  He attends mass with us and I continue to pray for his conversion to the church.  I do have faith that one day his eyes will be opened.

 

My Baptist mother was disowned by her family when she married my Catholic father in 1954.  Her family gradually accepted her, after my birth but the subject was always a barrier in her very Protestant church going family.

I grew up in a Protestant Midwestern town where Catholics were always looked upon with suspicion.  I married a Methodist and he eventually converted after being inspired by our parish priest, after our second child was born.

I agree that it would be easier if both spouses were on “the same page” regarding their faith, traditions, and rituals while raising a family. But then again, spouses can bring their significant other to our faith- as in the above examples.  So, ultimately I agree but also aware that God works in an unlimitedless way.

 

Our faith is the foundation of our marriage.  I cannot imagine being married to someone who doesn’t share my faith.  When the time comes, we will strongly encourage our children to only date Catholics, and specifically, practicing, faithful Catholics.  Kimberly Hahn addresses this topic in Chosen and Cherished (a great book, btw!).

 

I have mixed feelings about this.  I am a cradle Catholic who dated a non-Catholic through college and we were married shortly after.  My husband came into the Church after we had been married over 8 years.  And while I certainly believe in and attest to the power of prayer (my husband is a prime example!!!), I also know the years that we didn’t share our faith, I felt “incomplete” (for lack of a better word).  He was a strong Christian man and did attend Mass with me faithfully every Sunday (and even helped out with the Men’s Club fish fry!!!), and still I felt something was lacking in our marriage because we did not have unity of faith.  Truly, he never had a problem with using NFP or raising the children Catholic and I still felt this way.  I never gave up hope (and prayed so hard) that he would convert.

So, while I probably wouldn’t discourage my children from dating a non-Catholic, I would certainly encourage them to proceed slowly and make sure they discussed certain things (for me, raising the children Catholic & using NFP were a non-negotiable issues and ones we talked about before we were married).  I suppose like most other things, you have to take this on a case-by-case basis and look at your own child and how strong his/her faith is and then look at your future son or daughter-in-law and go from there.  I don’t feel I could say never, since this is the way some people do draw others to the fullness of faith.  However, I would remind my child that their spouse may never convert to Catholicism and ask if they would be okay with that?  Of course, they should hope and pray for a conversion, but not expect it, because it may never happen and they are just inviting grief and disappointment into their marriage if they nag about it.

I also know that many “practicing Catholics” I met in college were anything but, and my non-Catholic boyfriend seemed to have a much better grasp on what it meant to follow God’s will because of the way he had been raised by good Christian parents.  Again, I think you just have to take it on a case-by-case basis.  And if your child is in such a relationship, do not underestimate the power of prayer!!!

 

I am very torn about this. I am the product of a marriage where a non-practising Catholic married an Anglican in a Catholic church. My mother is the Anglican, and she keeps her promises, so she made sure were were baptized Catholic and had the sacraments. My father is now an atheist.

When I was 17, I started dating a young man from a Catholic family, who was sporadic in his practice. He is now my husband, and has been for almost 9 years. When we had been dating four about 4 years, he gently told me he loved me very much, but could not marry someone who did not share his faith (I was agnostic and very feminist/pro-abortion.) I respected that decision. We broke up and I did not see him during the better part of a year.

During that year, Jesus brought me home to the Catholic faith, independent of my ex-boyfriend. I only told him about my “reversion” many months after it happened, and just so I could thank him for any prayers.

He was delighted, and told me he had been praying for this since he mat me. He also asked if I was still intereested in a relationship with him.

I was confirmed a year later, and we were married about six months after that. My reversion caused him to look more closely at his faith, and he became a committed, practising Catholic.

I thank God every day my DH was brave enough to gently, and with love, insist that it would not be right to marry me if we were divided on the issue of faith. But I’m also very grateful we dated in the first place.

So I think Patrick’s advice is sage, but I also think sometimes the Holy Spirit leads us to the person we should be with—and then leads that person to the Church through that relationship.

 

I completely agree with “Anonymous” in 4:46pm post! I married someone who wasn’t practicing his faith in another church.  But he had been in sync with me on attending Mass and in mutual prayer while we were dating, and I asked continued Mass attendance, prayer, and a commitment to raising any children we’d have as catholic as a condition of our engagement, and he was agreeable to this.  I thank God every day that my spouse not only honored his commitment, but grew in his faith and is an outstanding Christian example to our children.  He has not been baptized catholic but is much more “catholic” than many of our acquaintance’s cradle catholic spouses.  I have always strongly felt my parents’ prayers, as well as my own, contributed to this.  One has to take each case on its own merits, but do not underestimate God and the power of seeking this with a sincere heart!!!

 

Catie, please know I am praying for you and your husband.  I was once where you are now and I dearly hope you will one day be where I am now!

 

My oldest son will be getting married in three weeks. His bride entered the Church this past Easter. I have never told any of my four children that they cannot date non-Catholics, but I have spoken to them countless times over the years about how the vocation of marriage involves serving God as a united couple. This is much more difficult when there is not a shared faith. I must admit that I also always inquire if their friends are Catholic—not just those they are dating. There has just always been an emphasis on cultivating a social circle supportive of our Catholic faith and this has carried over into the kids’ dating habits. My husband is a convert so now that our son is marrying a convert as well, we do laugh that Catholics marrying non-Catholics is an effective evangelization tool.

 

My husband’s not Catholic.  My guess is that he never will be.  It is hard sometimes, but I am CERTAIN… more every day… that God brought us together.  We have a fabulous marriage and three beautiful children and it makes me cry to think what my life would be without him.  I may be lynched for saying this, but being Catholic isn’t the most important characteristic for me.  Loving our lord and savior is, and my husband does.

 

Thank you for your honesty, Amy. We can never know God’s plan for bringing people to him. In our case, I am the Catholic spouse, and nowadays it is the Catholic spouse who “makes the promises” to raise the children catholic. My husband has been wonderful. He has really grown with me here. While I doubt he will ever come fully into the Catholic faith (at least while his mother is still alive), I know that God is working through him and he is trying to be the best man he can be. He is an excellent father and husband and comes to mass with us. He has fully supported the boys in their sacramental life and has encouraged me when I taught CCD in our parish. I belong to two lists of Catholic moms that have been around for nearly ten years. Once I counted up all the Catholic converts, cradle Catholic “reverts”, Catholic wives (converts or reverts) who brought their lapsed Catholic or non-Catholic husbands into the church, and the Catholic children of these marriages, and I stopped counting after about 50. So it is all anecdotal, whether a “mixed” marriage would end up keeping the Catholic from staying Catholic. I do feel strongly about Catholic identity and would love my boys to marry “good Catholic girls” (if they did not enter the priesthood or religious life!) but if we are talking anecdotes, I can’t add up the numbers of “Good Catholic” couples from “Good Catholic homes” who end up in divorce court. I see this in both my personal and work life. So don’t think that by limiting your relationships to catholics you will avoid the heartbreak of a failed marriage. Just my two (or twenty-two) cents.

 

Everyone is making very good points!  I think the key thing for me is that my husband is not particularly supportive.  He doesn’t attend Mass with us (and I think it upsets him that we don’t attend his services, which I used to do but he didn’t reciprocate so I gave up - and he no longer goes much himself).  He once told me, regarding my promise to raise our future children as Catholic, that “a promise to the Catholic Church is not a promise to God” and that hurt deeply, as you can imagine.

Something that I struggle with is that I believe that the husband should be the spiritual head of the house and wives should be obedient to their husbands (and Jennifer at Conversion Diary has a great post on that here) but in my situation, I can’t submit to him with regards to this because I absolutely don’t agree with his decision regarding faith.  While I don’t believe it would cost me my soul - as I said below, he has Jesus! - I do believe it would mean some additional time in purgatory for not living out my faith as I know it to be true.

I realized that I never answered the post’s question - I intend to encourage my daughter to seek a practicing Catholic spouse because I know how difficult it has been for me - there has been much heartache and many tears.  As you all have proven, though - it is not the be-all end-all, and God has reasons that we do not know.  He also gives us free will to make our own decisions, too!  :>)

Thank you very much, Lisa, for posting this.  I have read (and will continue to read as they come in!) everyone’s comments with great interest and I really appreciate the discussion.  Obviously this is something near and dear to the hearts of many of us!

 

My husband and I were both raised Catholic but both left the Catholic church after high school. When we met, we both still felt comfortable going to Mass but disagreed with enough that we did not want to go there regularly. We married after I graduated from college. For the next ten years we went to a number of different churches—non-denominational, Methodist, Presbyterian, Christian & Missionary Alliance…. We had often said that if we were at a church that practiced infant baptism that we would baptize our children as infants. Our first two were only “dedicated.” By the time our third was born, I had been drawn back to the Catholic church and my husband was becoming rather “anti” Catholic. Our third child was not baptized or dedicated.

When our oldest was eight, my husband reluctantly allowed her to be baptized and have First Eucharist. Since then, he has not let either of our boys do those things. He goes to another church and takes our eight year old son with him. Our two oldest (12 and 15) perfer the Catholic church. The 12 year old wants very badly to be baptized and have Communion but his father will not let him.

I think I can say we were unequally yoked. At the time of our marriage we both didn’t want to attend the Catholic church anymore, but we both still felt comfortable going there now and then. The fact that I decided to return to the Church has been a huge problem in our marriage. The children feel terribly torn. I feel so side for our middle child since he wants so badly to participate fully in Mass. I also feel terribly for our eight year old. He would actually rather come to the Catholic church, but he feels bad that his dad has to go to church alone so he goes there.

Obviously, we weren’t both practicing Catholics when our marriage began. However, I can see the terrible consequences of not both being Catholic now. I don’t want my children to have to experience that in their marriages and I certainly don’t want my grandchildren to have to experience the pain of not being able to worship God the way they are called by Him. It’s extremely painful for them and their dad just doesn’t care.

 

I personally would talk to my daughter of the pros of dating/marrying a faithful catholic and the problems with dating and/or marrying non catholics but I wouldnt tell her not do it, that would be her decision.  I married a catholic man, and I am very blessed but my decision of wanting to marry someone that shared my faith was due to my own personal journey, so I think I would tell my opinion and let her make her own choice.

 

An issue I have not seen addressed above involves the extended family of the non-Catholic spouse.  My husband’s family are Fundamentalist Bible Christian and are not out-and-out anti-Catholic, but I will admit, the undertone is sometimes there.  And now our children are old enough to know that when we say grace, we make the sign of the cross.  Of course, my husband’s family doesn’t do this, so there is a moment of embarrassed silence when my children do this and then proceed with “Bless us O Lord.”  So, we have told our children that when we say grace at my husband’s family’s house, we let Grandpa say the blessing and we listen and say “Amen” at the end.  (In fact, once my son said Grace at our house and when he had finished my m-i-l said, “Now tell God thank you for the food ask Him to bless your food and bless Mom and Dad” and I realized she didn’t think of what we say as doing that!)  I know questions will come when they begin to realize Grandpa & Grandpa go to a different church then we do.  Also, it saddens me that they have not been invited to any of our children’s baptisms (my husband’s choice), nor do they know that my husband has converted (hence the “Anonymous”).  I worry about what to do when our children make their First Reconciliation or First Communion.

So, while I believe it is most important that the husband or wife are of one faith, it can be difficult if you meet with resistance from the extended family.  To say, “We love each other so it will all work out” isn’t enough.  These are important events in your children’s lives and they should have their grandparents and aunts & uncles as a part of.  It is something I didn’t think about.  But, I know I was supposed to marry my husband and would not change that.  So, now my prayers are for the conversion of his family.  (Talk about asking for the world!!!)

 

I converted to Catholicism thanks to my cradle-Catholic husband while we were dating, but I would still definitely agree with Patrick Madrid’s advice.  Marrying a non-Catholic can be dangerous to the soul and salvation of a Catholic man or woman (I’m not saying it always leads to a loss of faith—I’m simply saying it can be dangerous), and it is something many saints and the Church herself have warned against.  And if one does want to marry a Catholic, I can’t see how dating a non-Catholic can be productive, if dating is looked at in a mature light.  My husband now says that if he had taken his faith more seriously at the time, he would have remained “just friends” with me during my faith journey.  I agree that this would have been wise for him to do.  I am thankful that God brought blessings out of our unwise choices, though! smile

 

Considering a non-Catholic (or non-practicing Catholic) individual as a potential spouse is certainly a matter that should not be taken lightly.
Of the 10 families in our Catholic homeschool group…half of the spouses (mostly the husbands, including mine) are Catholic converts—& zealous converts at that!  I just find that tidbit kind of an interesting reflection on this topic…

 

I was strongly Protestant when I married my Catholic husband. My mom had warned me throughout our relationship that we needed to discuss this and figure out what we were going to do about it before we got married, and while we did discuss it, we never made any resolutions (though I was so antsy to marry him I did “give in” and say I’d become Catholic, let’s just hurry up and do it!). This made the first six months of our marriage very hard, as we had moved and were trying to find a church and deal with these big differences. Praise God, He finally opened me up to see the beauty and truth of the Catholic Church, which I joyfully entered into. Unfortunately, I think my parents still feel like I didn’t have much of a say in this, because I had bashed it for so long before that.

I think it’s most important to date a person of strong moral character (probably a Christian of some sort), on the assumption that they’d be more open to understanding the whys behind their morals. But that would only be if your child was strong enough in their own faith to explain them.

 

My father was raised Catholic, my mother Protestant.  They were married in the Catholic Church and I was baptized shortly after birth, and then my father walked out of the Church never to walk back in.  When they married, because my mother was not Catholic and had no intention of converting, a wall went up between them in their marriage.  It didn’t come down until my dad started going to church with us in the Protestant churches we attended when I was in my early elementary years.

As I entered my 20’s and was thinking about marriage, I made a list of what I wanted in a spouse.  I called it my “shopping list.”  I kept that list for years.  When I converted to Catholicism in my mid-30’s I added “must be Catholic” because I loved my new faith and I was not going to compromise by marrying a non-Catholic.  A year later God brought my husband into my life and we are now nearly 9 years into a marriage that is sustained through the rough patches because of our Catholic faith.  Life may not always be perfect, but we can always count on our common faith to bring us to common ground.

I personally pray daily that all my kids will be called to the life of the priesthood or religious, but should dating and marriage be in their future, I will definitely be preaching to them to choose a spouse that is devoutly Catholic.

 

A few thoughts:

1) My mom was not Catholic when she and my dad married.  They even broke up for a time over the religious differences.  She converted when I was ten, and now, in some ways, she’s more Catholic than my dad! smile  So I am sure glad that my parents did not let their differences prevent their marriage; otherwise, I wouldn’t be sitting here now.

2) That said, I’m Catholic, as is my husband, and it is such a huge part of our relationship and our marriage.  Raising kids is complicated enough without having to deal with different perspectives on faith.  It’s a relief not to have to hash out questions like “Where should we go to church?” or “Where should we have the kids baptized?”  There’s a beautiful simplicity to marrying someone of your own faith.

3) Knowing teenagers as I do, I think there is a good way and a bad way to have this conversation.  The good way: engage them in a discussion of what faith means to them, and the way that it plays out in their lives.  Talk to them about families they know where the parents are the same faith, and those where the parents are different faiths, and discuss the challenges and rewards of each scenario.

Probably the worst thing to do is to tell your teenagers that they are not allowed to date someone of another faith.  That’s like waving a red flag in front of a bull, you know? smile  Maybe it has worked for some parents, but I can’t imagine it working for any of the adolescents I know!

 

I was strongly protestant when I met and married my husband.  However, holding a degree in theology from a Catholic University, I actually knew more about the Church than my in-laws.  I probably would have converted earlier, except my mother-in-law was so awful when we announced our engagement that I postponed coming into the Church for five years.  I didn’t want her to think I was doing this to please her. Of her five sons, only one married a Catholic, two of her daughter-in-laws (including me) converted to Catholicism after they were married, one son goes to another church with his wife, and one does nothing.  Of the two that don’t go to the Catholic church, a lot of it has to do with the way their parents treated their spouses. 
I would also say that all five of their sons were very poorly catechized and were raised to see church mostly as an obligation.  My in-laws have a strong Catholic identity, but not such a strong faith.  My point is, whether your child marries a Catholic or not, how you raise them up in the Faith will have a lot more to do with whether or not they stray from the faith or bring their spouse into the faith or they could marry a Catholic and both fall away-that happens a lot too.  The two of us daughter in laws that converted both had strong motivators outside our husbands family, and the one who was born into the faith, is much more active than her husband.
Also, almost every vibrantly Catholic family either the husband or the wife is a convert.

 

I think it is so dangerous to box your plans up and hand them to God saying “Here you go! This is my plan for my life!” I didn’t even want to date my now-husband when I first learned about him because he wasn’t Catholic. I was GOING TO MARRY A CATHOLIC. The end. I’m sure God still chuckles with my funny plans I have…
I married a man that kept me Catholic when my faith was shaken to the core. A man who became Catholic and is such a strong believer. Where would I be if I had stuck to my original plan? I shudder to think of it.

 

When I felt a strong pull to start taking my faith seriously in college (raised by mixed-denom./lapsed parents but confirmed in the Church), I ended my engagement. As difficult as it can be for a young, single Catholic from a non-Catholic family, my faith has grown because of that choice. I have noticed that (in the churches I have been to, at least, which by nature of where I live are very conservative) most are resistant to Catholic converts/reverts, and that’s where I would advise parents to be compassionate in terms of their child’s dating choices. I pray that I can marry a Catholic, but it feel impossible…

 

I grew up with a Catholic father and a mother who was hostile to the Catholic Church.  We were taken to church by our father and had all the sacraments but no faith beyond that.  We did not live near extended family that could have passed on the faith.  By the grace of God when I went to College I met and married a faithful practicing Catholic.  Even though I was a cradle Catholic I came with a lot of baggage and he put up with it all for a long time.Today, I am am more involved in our parish & our faith than he is.  Looking back our children did not get the formation they should have, so now with teenagers and young adults we are playing catch-up.  One issue that hasn’t come up - what if your daughter is seriously dating a Muslim.  Our eldest daughter was.  We had many discussions about Mixed Marriages and how would 2 people with strong “opposite” faiths & very different cultural backgrounds raise a famly and many prays.  After all the secular media says that Muslims, Jews and Christians decend from Abraham and worship one God. In the midst of an argument he slapped her and she broke up with him.  Thanks be to God.  I would recommend that parents educate themselves about other religions, so when these issues come up they can be persuasive.  We can’t control an adult but we need to try to persuade them & even teenagers listen to their parents.

 

As a convert myself, I have very mixed feelings about this issue. If my husband hadn’t dated ‘that Protestant girl’ would I be Catholic today? I certainly wouldn’t have the family I have now. That said, I see how difficutlt mixed marriages are and feel that marriage is hard enough without adding religious differences. All in all, I think I will (and do) discourage my children from dating non-Catholics BUT I will not leave out in the cold any non-Catholics they happen to bring home as long as they aren’t actively working on getting my child to leave the Faith, *that* would be a deal breaker.

 

We would not “forbid” our children from dating non-Catholics, but we have certainly discussed this issue at length with our teens.  Their faith is very important to them and I believe God will lead them along the way.  My strong feeling is that couples newly married have a lot of adjustment and stress that simply comes with being newlywed and adding someone from a different faith into the mix can just make things more difficult.  There are some crucial core moral issues that could complicate matters, such as use of birth control, openness to having children, obligatory mass attendance, baptism of children in infancy, etc. if a Catholic married a non-Catholic. 

That said, I also agree with many who have posted above saying that you cannot put God in a box, they wouldn’t be Catholic today if their spouse didn’t date/marry them, etc.  I believe our Lord can use many imperfect situations, like a Catholic marrying a non-Catholic.

 

As I read all the comments about whether or not the non-Roman Catholic partner would join the Roman Catholic church or the Roman Catholic would become less observant. There is another option not mentioned. People in mixed marriages can choose to support one another in their connection to different churches. Such a family is often called an interchurch marriage.
My husband and I attend both churches together weekly. Our son is part of both communities. We pray together at home and make decisions together about how to contribute time, energy, and finances to both churches.
At times it can be very hard to live in between two churches which are not in full communion with one another. But the difficulty is not so much within our family. It is between the churches that are still estranged from one another. We pray together that our churches would be reconciled and that we could enjoy full and visible unity between them.
Pope Benedict has called families like ours “practical laboratories of unity” and encouraged us to keep living in faith and prayer.
More information and practical support is available at:
http://www.interchurchfamilies.org and http://www.aifusa.org

 

Thanks so much for posting these links - I have been looking for this type of resource and greatly appreciate your sharing them!

 

My advice on dating?

I fail to see the good in risking your heart or your partner’s heart by entering a romantic relationship (dating) if marriage isn’t a possibility; marriage is important so your choice of a romantic partner (who you date) is also important.
Never, ever make important decisions without praying about them.

They must respect your faith and conscience and you must be able to respect theirs.  [My darling husband wasn’t a Catholic when we married but he truly lives by the spirit of Romans 14 ]. 

Integrity and honor are exceedingly important attributes for a prospective spouse. 

During courting it is essential to discuss what is most important to you to decrease the chance of nasty surprises later.  If you don’t have a good feel for what is most important to you then you might want to reconsider courting; if the two of you can’t come to an agreement on the most important issues then you *should* reconsider courting. [my husband and I talked over EVERYTHING during our courting period]

It is very important to meet the family and friends of a prospective spouse; much can be determined by their other relationships.  When you marry someone you are becoming part of their family, it’s good to know what sort of family it is and how they treat family. [my husband met most of my extended family (first grandchild to bring someone home to meet the family) and I met his parents within a month of starting to date- his mother is the very definition of hospitality, she and my parents have become quite good friends.]

Normally it is by far the best to date and marry someone who is also a practicing Catholic remember what the Catechism teaches about mixed marriages and disparity of Cult (1633-1637) and be careful!  .

However, I would never, ever say that they *shouldn’t* date a non-catholic as I truly believe that I have followed the will of God in marrying my husband (lots of prayer involved!) .  There are special dangers, there can be special joys.  I have had the joy of seeing my husband received into the faith and knowing that I’ve been privileged to be part of his conversion.

 

I married a non-Catholic who was terrribly Protestant in his attitude towards the Church but he knew the ‘rules’ so Iwe married in Church , I continued practising my faith and my children grew up Catholic .I even served the Church as a catechist and later joined and am still serving in the Renewal . My marriage was ‘rough’ as my late husband found opportunities to ‘bash’ Catholicism and though I argued with him in the early years of our marriage , I learnt to pray during his ‘Catholic boxing time’ in the later years ! Surfice to say he converted and went home to the Lord a Catholic !!!!

 

Oh please…with all respect due to Patrick, I fail to see how holding this hard line does anything to fulfill the Great Commission. As a religious and theological matter, I would encourage Catholics to date Jews, not only because Judaism is Catholic Christianity’s heritage but because practical matter, we have decades of sociological research indicating that interfaith marriages between Catholics and Jews are very strong. (Stronger than interfaith marriages between Protestants and…anyone.)

 

I live in an area that is predominantly Catholic and Jewish, and yes, there are a lot of interfaith marriages.  In fact, four good friends of mine married Jewish men.  The problem that they have all faced, is their extended families.  The more Orthodox Jewish the family is, the less they will accept a non-Jewish mother (children will not be considered Jewish) and that has caused a lot of strife among two of my good friends.  It seems to work more with the less religious (or practicing) and more cultural Jewish men and non-Jewish woman.  Interestingly enough, I have yet to see a truly practicing Jew marry a truly practicing Catholic.  But that’s just my experience.

 

I did not read this article, but I just have to share my story, as it relates to this topic. I’ll make it short and sweet. I married a Catholic man when I was 19 years old. After we married, he showed his true colors…he was abusive, self-centered, and just an ugly, ugly person deep down. He left me after 1 year of marriage, and I divorced him on grounds of abandonment. Fast forward 7 years. I met and married a man who was raised Baptist, but did not practice any religion. He is the most kind, caring, and down right beautiful soul I have ever met. He is an excellent husband, excellent father - I could right a 900 page book on the reasons I love him. Three years after we married, he began the process to convert to Catholicism. We are still waiting on pending annulments, but this man who is not even Catholic YET, brought me (a cradle Catholic) back to my faith. Thank you, God, for this (non-Catholic) man.

 

Telling teens not to is inviting them to show their autonomy.  But having a discussion about it with them will open their eyes to the possible problems.  I remember being angry at my mother for telling me not to date black men (for cultural reasons).  I wasn’t even considering dating a black man at the time.  And once they are an adult you will not be able to refuse to let them to marry.  Much better to explain what family life would look like in that situation.

 

This is an interesting topic. While, this particular aspect is very far off for my family since our son is only 1.5 years old I would not forbid him or any other children we happen to have to from dating non-catholics. My husband is cradle Catholic, I was not Catholic when we meet. We had similar beliefs, goals and desires for our lives and marriages but we did not share a faith. I did covert the Easter before we got married but I did not do it for my husband nor did I do it so he would marry me. I did so because I truly felt called to by God. I will say that I am so glad my husband was willing to date me and love me even though I wasn’t Catholic at the time!!!

 

I married a protestant, and we both had our heads in the clouds before we married, each thinking the other would convert.  I’m not sure that we would have married if we had forced the issue.  BUT, I am so glad that we did!  My life is so very near what I had always dreamed it would be.

The piece that is missing, though, is significant.  While we share our Christian faith, it has been a bumpy road through our six years of marriage.  We had an enormous fight when I was about six months pregnant with our daughter regarding her baptism, and it was only by the grace of God that I was able to get through that day - we had her baptized in my husband’s church, where he was an elder at the time.

We’ve been praying for another baby, but I’ll admit that I’m not sure I can agree to a protestant baptism again.  Over the past few months, I think I’ve had two likely miscarriages and I’ve been asking those little souls to intercede.

One thing I will say . . . my prayer has been for our family to be united.  Especially at first, I had difficulty praying for my husband’s conversion because as Amy says above, he has Jesus, and that is most important.

 

Lenetta, I am praying for you and your husband, as well as your babies in heaven!

 

I have posted so many times today just to erase what was on my mind in regards to this issue.  I am a convert, which is a story of dating and marriage in itself.  My husband now also converted!  It is all incredible and beautiful despite the suffering along the way.

However I think that Patricks point is fabulous as primary teachers to our children it is a fitting point “My advice to Catholic parents is, teach your children well the importance of finding a devoutly Catholic spouse.”  Look at CCC 1656, 2206, 2222, 2225-26.  As parents we are charged with the responsbility to train our children in Christ.

From expereince, it is absolutely incredbile in times of joy and times of struggles to share the Sacraments with my husband as a summit of grace and stregth.  Would I not want the same for my children?  Life is hard and society is cruel to marriage.  Would I not want my kids to have the armor needed to fight the fight for Christ?  Then I will raise them up in the ways of the Church and teach them well their faith, which includes the discernment of a Vocation to the married life and the need for a devout Catholic spouse.  When I rest in the arms of my Lord, I want to be assured that I gave my children good counsel in all matters of life.

 

Growing up, my parents never advised us not to date non-Catholics.  However, they did teach us that dating was for discerning marriage, and that marriage to a non-Catholic would be much more difficult.  Not that it was impossible or wrong, just a much harder path. 

I remember my father telling me that there were many people in the world that I could love, but there was only one person out there that God wanted me to marry.  It was my job to pray and find that person, no matter whether they were Catholic or otherwise.  Through my dating of several non-Catholics in college, it became clear to me that marrying a devout Catholic was something I needed in a marriage.

As far as what to tell your teens who are ready for dating, tell them to pray for their future spouse so that s/he may be a good Catholic.  It doesn’t matter that they don’t know who they are; God does.  I remember as a “tween” hearing this advice, and praying that my husband would be a good Catholic.  My husband converted to the Catholic faith when he was in high school, years before I met him, but not before I had started praying for him.  I’m certainly not claiming responsibility for his conversion, but I’m sure my prayers helped.

 

I’m very surprised so many disagree. I think the problem is that so many of those who disagree with Patrick’s advice are living the “happily-ever-after” part of their Catholic/Protestant marriages or relationships right now and are glossing over the very hard years they spent to get there because the couple was not of one heart and mind in the Catholic faith. I don’t know ANY parent that wouldn’t want to protect their kids from the pain and sorrow that can occur from a couple being “unequally yoked”.

I think that is at the heart of Patrick’s advice. You tell you children, “this is the BEST, most pain-free way” for you to proceed in your search for a husband or wife. You teach them to pray and discern and then let the Holy Spirit do the rest. As for my and my family, we will strongly discourage our children from dating non-Catholics, but not forbid it. God’s plans are not our own and of course He can bring something wonderful out of potential disaster.

When I was in high school and college I couldn’t image dating anyone who didn’t believe that Jesus was truly present in the Holy Eucharist, that the Blessed Mother was a sinless Virgin and that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. I don’t agree with the idea that marriage should be a tool to use for evangelizing other faiths. Going into a relationship with the “I’m going to convert them” mentality is a recipe for disaster. While I know that evangelizing occurs between spouses as part of the Lord’s miraculous and beautiful plan for the couple in so many families, to take on that task of your own accord is just asking for trouble. Marriage is hard enough for two people of a strong Catholic faith. We need an equally yoked partner not a “project”.

 

Just because a spouse io catholic does not guarantee he will do anything. Witness my husband cousin who is the cradle catholic but leaves it up ot his convert wife to do the cathlic thing. He makes fun of taking her 5 boys to mass and has caused them to question why they have to go when Dad does not.

Beignin unison in your thinking is th main thing not the religious bent of your spouse. However marrying a fellow catholic should for some mean you are willing to go th same route in life

 

Thanks, Lisa, for posting this! I am fascinated by all the comments here, pro and con. The same kind of vigorous discussion about my advice has been going on over at my blog, as well as at another blog where the blog hostess really, really did not like what I had to say.

What I’ve found most interesting about so many of the comments against my opinion on this is that they are, as ElizabethS insightfully pointed out, really just anecdotal “it-worked-out-in-my-case” kinds of arguments, but virtually none deal directly with the specific rationale I adduce on my blog. Here’s the relevant section, in which I respond to Julie:

An interesting discussion about my comments has been generated on the “Happy Catholic” blog http://happycatholic.blogspot.com/2009/11/whoa-whoa-whoa-lets-not-say-something.html . My most recent post in response to Julie (who strongly disagrees with my advice) is, I think, worth sharing here:

But see, Julie, that’s the point I was making all along. As you admit, the Catechism warns about mixed marriages because there are inherent dangers to the faith of the Catholic spouse and to the children of that marriage. Why warn people about a danger that really doesn’t exist? Or, if it does exist, do you say that it’s really not a serious danger?

100 years ago, before all the loosey-goosey attitudes toward marriage and religion that have swamped society these days, the Catholic Encyclopedia explained the problem at length here http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/...then/ 05037b.htm under the heading of “Origin of the Impediment.” I’d suggest everyone who wants a wider view of this subject read through that section of the article.

As for the Catechism, it does not really help you make your claim that I gave bad or misguided advice to the caller on my radio show, unless of course you just ignore all the warnings and reasons for the warnings and fixate only on the exception clauses:

Don’t forget 1634: “But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.”

You see, the Church for the longest time flat-out prohibited mixed marriages because of the very dangers which I alluded to in my radio chat with the 19 year-old Catholic fellow. There were dispensations from that prohibition, to be sure, but they were not as common as you might think, and they were granted only for serious reasons.

And that’s why, while your “be not afraid” message is all very nice, and there are certainly exceptions to the rule, nothing you have said here in defense of your unbridled optimism on this point has really addressed (much less rebutted) the point I am making.

How you can dismiss my reasoned, fact-laden, backed-up-by-longstanding-precedent argument as a “straw man argument” is a reaaaal stretch. The the “straw man” logical fallacy is actually something quite different than what I think you think it is.

But anyway . . .

If your “Be not afraid to date anyone of any religion or no religion at all because, golly, she is my true love, my soul mate” approach to marriage were really the wise approach, why do you think it is that the Catholic Church has never adopted that approach? Is the Church not wise in these matters? And the flip side is, if the approach that I espoused on my radio show and on my blog were really so wrong-headed that it would provoke someone to say, “I’m shaking my head in sorrow over such a fine man falling prey to this thinking,” then why is it that the Catholic Church has essentially given many generations of Catholics that very same advice?

Thanks again, Lisa, and everyone else who’s weighed in on this issue. Regardless of where you come down on this, I do appreciate your taking time to discuss it. I think that at least we can all agree that this is an important issue. Happy Thanksgiving and God bless you all.


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