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Dealing with Loss

Danielle welcomes Colleen Mitchell for a special podcast

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This week we have a very special episode of the Faith & Family Livecast to share with you (click here to listen or click on the player above). Danielle Bean hosts special guest Colleen Mitchell, blogger at Footprints on the Fridge. Colleen is a wife and mother to five sons on earth and two who are with God.

The Mitchell family suffered the tragic loss of their infant son Bryce Phillip last September 1 and then again suffered loss through the miscarriage of another child, Ashton Karol, this past February.

What Colleen has done with her loss, both through her writing and in our special podcast, is nothing short of amazing. She generously shares her own process of grief in a way that women of faith, even those who have not suffered such a great loss, can appreciate and benefit from. She offers encouragement and practical ideas for those of us who wish to minister to the needs of other who are suffering an grieving loss in their lives.

In particular, her words about the comforting and wise traditions of the Catholic church will inspire you and her thoughts about how Mary is meant to be a source of comfort to us in our times of need are especially encouraging.

Some resources that are mentioned in the podcast and that Colleen recommends are The Story of a Family a book in which Zelie Martin, mother of St. Therese of Lisieux, shares about the loss of her own children, and A Grief Unveiled: One Father’s Journey Through the Loss of a Child written by a Catholic father who suffered the tragic loss of his 6-year-old daughter.

Special thanks to Colleen Mitchell for open and generous sharing of a deeply personal and sensitive experience. It is our hope that her words of hope and healing will be a source of peace to many women in need.

We would love to have your feedback. You can call and leave us a message on our listener feedback line at 1-413-FAITH-55 (or 1-413-324-8455). Leave us a comment, ask a question, make a suggestion or share your thoughts on this or other podcasts we’ve shared. We’d love to hear from you!


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Thanks for this podcast and to Colleen Mitchell a very humble soul who I am sure will help others as well as their friends and family in the same situation. My last son Timothy also died about 2 hours after birth. It’s a blessing to have listened to this as it helps in the healing process. God Bless.

 

This was a very powerful podcast and I thank you for sharing it.  It helps to be reminded that the Catholic woman’s openness to life leaves her uniquely vulnerable to suffering.  I’ve never heard it put that way and helps me make more sense of my (non-Catholic) family not understanding how hard it has been to not be able to bear children for me so far.

 

Thanks for this very helpful presentation.  I especially found helpful what Colleen said about allowing all family members to grieve in their own way without shushing them or forcing them to talk about it.

I do think there is a big difference between the support one will get if their baby dies after birth and the support for someone who suffers miscarraige.  For the first there seems to be more acknowledgement and help where as with the second support can be nonexistent.

It sounded like Colleen was at least fortunate to have found a lot of support amongst family, friends and Church to help her through her grief.  Unfortunately, after suffering a devastating miscarriage I did not get nor could I find any support even though everyone knew and went frantically looking for help.  If you don’t have a body to bury parishes around here don’t offer anything to families who suffer miscarriage, nor does the diocese, nor do any Catholic hospitals here.  Nor did my family or friends or husband (all practicing Catholics) acknowledge my grief.  I took this as society trying to teach me the cultural protocol that you are not supposed to grieve a miscarriage.  Even Church teaching doesn’t directly address miscarriage.  Colleen and Danielle said that the baby is in heaven but I could not find anything that said an unbaptized baby definitely goes to heaven.  If anyone can cite a reference I would love it.

I hope that in the future th Church will finally come to offer some kind of official help to moms and their families who suffer miscarriage.

 

anonmom,

I’m so sorry for your loss.  Know that the grace and mercy of God are beyond our understanding and that we can trust that God in is goodness embraces miscarried or un-baptized babies.  Praying for you for peace and healing.

 

Fellow moms, I too have had both kinds of loss—after a live birth, and through miscarriage.  Thank God our born baby had a lovely baptism that gives me much consolation when I think back on it.  I baptized the remains of our miscarried child, but I’m sure he or she had been gone for some time by the time I got a hold of the body.  Anyhow, I figure God knows I would have baptized that child.  And let’s say we were on the way to the church to baptize a live child and got into a fatal car accident.  Wouldn’t that count as baptism?  Wouldn’t the same principle of baptism by desire apply to the miscarried child?  I like to think so.  And in any event, that child is in good hands with God.

 

To above anonmom, the way that it was explained to us by the Priest is that there is 1)baptism by desire and that 2) God is merciful.  So, you will not find anything that explicitly states that your child is in heaven, but it can be assumed based on those things.  Our daughter died after nine days in the NICU and since she was supposed to live, we were advised by a deacon to have a proper baptism outside of the NICU.  Thus, she was not baptized.  There is not a day that I wish we would have had a proper baptism in the NICU, but I have faith that she is in heaven and thus a powerful intercessor for our family.

To Colleen and Danielle, thank you for this beautiful podcast.  There are so many things about it that made me really appreciate our Catholic faith.

 

While we can HOPE that an unbaptized baby lost either soon after birth or through a miscarriage is in heaven, we can never assume that they’re in heaven.  This is written by someone who recently went through a painful miscarriage.  As hard as it is to fathom, Our Lord set up certain rules, one being that without baptism one may not enter heaven.  Is there baptism of desire, water, and fire???  YES!!!  Can one be certain exactly how baptism by desire works?  I don’t know.  There is a lot of debate about unbaptized children and what happens to their souls after death.  I know the theological theory of Limbo is also widely debated, but for me…. it brings me comfort.  How it was explained to me is that because the child wasn’t baptized they are eternally separated from God, BUT they do NOT suffer the torments of hell either.  They are in a ‘place’ so to speak of happiness and contentment.  As much as it pains me to think that my little one will be separated from God, it is also a comfort to believe that they experience no pain and only happiness. 

I know this is a widely debated topic.  May we always respond with sympathy, empathy and love to anyone who has lost a loved one.  Whether through miscarriage, infant death, a parent, a sibling….....

 

Hi Apagano,

You can see my reply below under ‘hope’.  God bless!

 

Thank you Danielle and Colleen

 

Dear Moms,

You will be happy and comforted to know that Pope Benedict XVI in 2006 clarified what was a theory about Limbo and ended the debate on Limbo because of a long study done by theologians.  This change in thought began under John Paul II and was concluded with Pope Benedict.  Limbo was never a doctrine of the church and so it was not overturned, but better understood now.  We are able to see our Heavenly Father as a loving merciful God who desires all to be saved, so this directly was for the specific cases of babies who are unbaptized.  I hope this is helpful.

 

Thanks to Danielle and Colleen for a beautiful, supportive podcast. I listened last evening while tidying the house, and was touched by the emotions of both women.

 

Since you asked for official documentation, I thought you might find this helpful:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

Praying for you and your family, Colleen, and thanks to you, Danielle, and all the F&F team, for all you do to use the media for good as JPII hoped we would:
“In today’s world, housetops are almost always marked by a forest of transmitters and antennae sending and receiving messages of every kind to and from the four corners of the earth. It is vitally important to ensure that among these many messages the word of God is heard. To proclaim the faith from the housetops today means to speak Jesus’ word in and through the dynamic world of communications.”

 

Since you asked for official documentation, I thought you might find this helpful:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

Praying for you and your family, Colleen, and thanks to you, Danielle, and all the F&F team, for all you do to use the media for good as JPII hoped we would:
“In today’s world, housetops are almost always marked by a forest of transmitters and antennae sending and receiving messages of every kind to and from the four corners of the earth. It is vitally important to ensure that among these many messages the word of God is heard. To proclaim the faith from the housetops today means to speak Jesus’ word in and through the dynamic world of communications.”

 

Too funny! Your site kept telling me I did it wrong, so I tried again…and again….smile
Sorry for the repeats! Next time I won’t believe it if it says I typed the mystery word in wrong. smile


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