It is common in our Byzantine Catholic parish for both men & women to dress according to the Feast Days of the Liturgical year (blue for Feast Days honoring the Theotokos [Blessed Virgin Mary], green for Pentecost [green represents flowering & new life], red for Feast Days commemorating martyred Saints, etc.) It is also common to see women covering their head for the Divine Liturgy.
Different Shades of Modesty
Posted by AGroup in Reviews on Friday, March 05, 2010 10:00 AM
One of the things I find most interesting about the subject of modesty is the wide variety of ways in which individuals interpret it.
Unlike some aspects of our faith, God hasn’t given us a strict or specific list of rules to apply to our wardrobe, which leaves a lot up to personal discretion.
It’s been such a pleasure for me over these last few months to hear your modesty-related thoughts and opinions. I found our discussions on veiling and the skirts issue illuminating and educational and I thank you for joining me in the search for a deeper understanding of this issue.
The interpretation of modesty can differ greatly between cultures and religions, depending upon your location, the activity you are participating in, and also with regard to the company you are in. Though I am committed to modesty my wardrobe would be thought scandalous to many Muslims and what is generally considered to be appropriate dress for modest women in America might be considered prudish (even to women who value modesty) in some areas of Europe.
What I wear to the beach will (hopefully) look quite different from what I wear to the doctor’s office and what I am comfortable wearing in front of my husband and girlfriends often differs a bit from what I wear out in public. It is for these reasons that I’ve always maintained my belief that modesty is ultimately an issue to be sorted out between an individual and her Creator, often with a bit of help from friends and family.
Because of these variations in the understanding and expression of modesty I’m always delighted when I discover examples of how women from other cultures, faiths, and/or areas of the world express their understanding of modesty. Recently, a friend directed me to a blog called Morning Coffee which featured a link to some beautiful and inspiring photos of a fashion show put on for and by Orthodox Christian women at the Kremlin back in 2008 (scroll down past the Russian text to view the photos).
I highly recommend reading Alana’s post which offers some insight into the theme of the fashion show, the Twelve Feasts, before you peruse the photos. Her commentary helped me to appreciate the fashion show itself more than I would have if I didn’t have any background information. I hope you enjoy both as much as I did!
Take care, girls!
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Is it just my husband & me, or did anyone else notice the top on the woman in the photo above? We think it looks quite immodest & transparent.
if anyone’s interested there has been a papal decree written on modesty and as far as I know nothing has come out since. Now whether you agree with it or not is a whole other issue.
I would be careful with that link. Clearly, that chapel has an agenda to push, and from some of the other pages, it seems that part of their agenda is spreading doubt (or even outright denying) that the current Holy Father is a true pope. Since the Church is the interpreter of her own documents, I would look to the Catechism of the Catholic Church which states that “[t]he forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another.” (See paragraph 2524.) I would also point out that St. Gianna did not follow these standards in her dress and yet she is a canonized saint and a model for Christian women.
I honestly don’t know anything about that link…that ‘s just where I happened to find a papal decree on modesty. I totally think the current pope is the pope, but so was Pius XI and all the other former popes and we have to take into account their wisdom as well.
The modesty issue is certainly a fascinating topic. To be honest, though I can’t help but feel that it goes to extremes sometimes. Sure, there are all kinds of current fashion trends to avoid (extreme miniskirts, visible thong underwear, etc.), but I do think the modesty thing can be overdone. I’m a woman, and I have curves; that’s how the good Lord made me. I’m not going to wear a burkah or a tent, so those curves are just going to be visible, period.
I really do understand wanting to make life easier for guys, and not giving them visuals that make them uncomfortable. Still, it’s part of their nature to notice women’s bodies. It’s not their fault if a random thought—“Oh, she’s a good-looking woman”—pops into their minds. It’s what they do WITH the random thought that is the question. I’d rather have my husband think, “Oh, that’s a good-looking woman. Whatever. Moving on now,” than have him obsess and feel bad about thinking it in the first place. When you just keep beating yourself up about a random thought, it takes root in your mind and becomes harder to get out. No doubt my opinion on this is colored by my own past struggles with scrupulosity and OCD. I had to learn a long and painful lesson about how I was NOT responsible for “bad thoughts,” and that it was better to think, “Oh, that was a bad thought. Oh well. Moving on now,” than to think, “I had a bad thought! I’m a sinful person! I must work really hard so I never have another bad thought again!”
I guess I’m thinking that, back to the modesty question, there will ALWAYS be ways to see women’s bodies (unless you live in a fundamentalist Mormon sect and wear prairie dresses). I’m not sure we can (or should!) go to painful extremes to keep female curves away from guys’ eyes. It seems like it’s better to help them learn to accept and let go of the occasional bad thought, in the manner of recovering OCD-ers. But again, this is colored by my own expieriences.
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