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God and Your Fertility

Coffee Talk: NFP

(Join each day’s Coffee Talk discussion: Mon: Parenting; Tues: Open Forum; Wed: NFP; Thu: Marriage; Fri: Education; Sat/Sun: Homemaking)

This weekly thread is a place where you can share your struggles, triumphs, links, resources, concerns, and questions about all things related to Natural Family Planning.

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I’m posting anonymously so as not to risk embarrassing my husband…  but here is what we are currently dealing with regarding NFP.. (and since I’m posting anonymously I’m going to be blunt so I can get the most accurate feedback!)

1.  He just doesn’t feel like he gets enough sex and in the heat of the moment, when he was angry, reminded me of how all the other men he knows go to topless bars and/or have affairs and do I want him doing That? 

2.  He asks me if he can get a vasectomy or if we can use condoms.

3.  I’m trying to give him the next few seasons with no baby/pregnancy so we can go on a few trips because he feels cheated, a bit, about how children ‘cramp our style’ in that department.

4.  Although a Catholic, he won’t listen to or learn about the theology behind NFP so I’m left feeling like I’m not married to a Catholic or someone who is even on my team.  He doesn’t go to Mass, either, or Confession…  when I have bad days his solution is always to “put the kids in school”...  (Alright, so that last bit is about our differences concerning homeschooling… sorry!)

It’s fine to find information and support online and in books but when it comes down to it I feel strange and alone and weird.  I almost feel like trying to be a better, knowledgeable Catholic puts a strain on my marriage, causes division.

I thought maybe if I just accepted all the sacrifices of children on my own shoulders, gave it to God, had peace, welcomed however many babies might come, did all the vacations he wants regardless of if I’m pregnant or with a new nursling, that at least I’d be doing my part, learning holiness, and making things easier for him instead of resenting our differences and WAITING for him to “get on board”. 

I know this is rambly but I haven’t had my coffee yet.  Ha! I also know this is all negative, but I don’t need help with the positive things, KWIM? So I didn’t list them.  wink

Thanks in advance for any time and attention and suggestions.  Peace.

 

I have no advice but I will pray for you and your husband, what a difficult situation.

 

Anonymous:
This is the frustrating part of NFP. My husband is a wonderful man who loved God, his family & the Church. He too complains of not enough sex - your husband is normal!  You should also be grateful your husband is faithful & doesn’t indulge in bars/magazines. I think as women we treat our husbands as if they have the same sex drive as we do. They don’t - their sex drive is much greater. I also think MANY women treat sex as something dirty. It is wonderful your husband desires you & enjoys your intimate time together and wishes it were more often. Having said that, you must PRAY for your husband and for yourself. The only thing that is going to make this easier for him is understanding why you use NFP & the church teaching on contraception. If he is not open to even listening to a CD in the car such as Contraception: Why Not? by Janet Smith, you just have to pray.  It takes a great amount of self control to abstain for a man for a good part of the month but God is faithful in answering prayers & can change the heart of the hardest hearts. I know this is difficult but know that alot of couples struggle with the ugly side of NFP and you’re not alone. As for the other stuff he sais: it probably all stems out of his frustration… smile Praying for you!

 

Out of all the advice you have been given, I think the best so far is prayer.  Ultimately you have no control over anyone’s actions or choices but your own (as frustrating as that is).  Your goal should be to get him to heaven, and it sounds like your only options are to show him by example (which it sounds like you are doing an EXCELLENT job of already), through prayer (which I’m sure you do as well), and by LOVING him just WHERE HE IS AT (which is what Christ does for us).  The Janet Smith CD is an excellent suggestion, if he would be open to it.  Miracles do happen, and I am inspired by you.  You sound like such a strong woman to be able to hold to your beliefs in a situation where many would just give up.  The Lord is well pleased with you.  I am so sorry you feel alone and weird, you are neither.  We are in communion with you, empathize with your situation and are praying for you.

 

Prayers for you!  Not a lot of suggestions, but maybe cd’s of Fr. Corapi?  My dh really likes his “guy style” and he doesn’t pull any punches, but he’s also btdt for most things so it doesn’t come across as holier-than-thou preaching.  And he covers a lot of territory which might be good since it sounds like it isn’t just nfp that’s the problem, it’s a lot of spiritual territory.  Perhaps you could talk to your dh about the “threat” type of stuff though - that mentioning affairs doesn’t help you want to be intimate with him b/c it sounds like “who cares who, as long as I get something.”  (Even if he doesn’t really mean that which is why he’s not doing it, it’s still really hurtful.) 
And, as others have said, prayer.  Being faithful isn’t weird in a negative sense - but Jesus did say that faithfulness can cause division b/c lukewarmness isn’t an option anymore when people are confronted with the truth.  So that friction doesn’t mean you’re the problem, it just means that there are edges there that have to be worn (sometimes painfully) away.  Maybe that isn’t very comforting when you’re in the middle of tough times, but on the other hand, maybe it helps to know that your following the Way, Truth, and Life isn’t really the problem.

 

Hugs to you, Anon.  I really feel for you. 

Your husband is reacting to a real problem at a very immature level.  Threatening to go to a strip club or get a vasectomy are immature ways to try and get what he wants.  But there is something going on with him.  Maybe he is thinking that more sex is the answer, but it could just be that he craves more intimacy with you, more time together, more closeness.  In an immature mind, more sex = closeness and intimacy. 

So even though your husband wants to make this out to be about sex (and maybe it is about sex to some extent, I can’t answer that), I would say that he is trying to connect with you and is frustrated.  In a sick and twisted way, this is a compliment.  He loves you and wants to be with you.  This is good.  Wanting to use condoms because he can’t have sex when he wants, or replacing intimacy with only sex is bad.

It’s too bad that sometimes our men don’t realize that the best foreplay is when they help with the dishes or put the kids to bed for us.  wink  It sounds to me like you are tired from the long days with homeschooling and homemaking.  One thing you can do is to try and be as open to your husband during the infertile phases as you can be.  Scale down your routines, rest during naptime, save some energy for your husband.  And make it clear to him that if he can help you with some of the chores then it will help you have more energy for him. 

I wish I knew how to further help you, because I can tell you are struggling.  It is not fair for you to shoulder every burden in your marriage and then take crap from your husband about not getting enough sex.  But it sounds to me like communication has really broken down here.  If you are not able to communicate with him without him threatening strip clubs, then I would suggest seeing a priest or Catholic counselor.  Dr. Gregory Popcack runs a Catholic tele-counseling practice and he and his partners counsel over the phone.  It might be less threatening than sitting in a counselor’s office. 

Of course, the best thing in the world would be for your husband to resume going to Mass with your family.  Keep praying and ask the intercessions of St. Monica!  I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

 

Gosh. I don’t know what I’d do if I was in that situation. Actually, if my husband tried to guilt me into more sex by talking about topless bars and affairs, I’d probably slap him. But I have some anger issues. smile

I guess it sounds like your husband doesn’t really understand the point of marriage and having a family isn’t for it to “fit his style”, it’s for him to change himself to become more like Christ. Christ didn’t say, “I will lay down my life for them, as long as I feel like it—but if not, I’ll go to strip club instead.” Maybe he needs a gentle (or not so gentle) reminder of this? It also sounds like he needs to get back to Mass. How can we ever grow in holiness if we do not receive that which is Holiness itself?

I admire your courage to post on this issues which must be causing you such heartache. I’ll pray for you and your husband as well.
God Bless!

 

If your husband wishes to commit a mortal sin by going against what the church teaches, that is his decision. Pray for him daily and be the best wife and mother that you can. It would not be a sin for you to continue to have relations with him if he is using a condom himself or if he gets a vasectomy, especially if he is threatening you with an affair. It’s an ugly situation, and I am saying a prayer for you right now.

If you put the ball back in his court, and pray for him, it will be between him and the Holy Spirit to see where his sin is. If you are the judge telling him NO then he is going to keep resenting you. Give the decision to him and put yourself in God’s hands. Keep praying for him, don’t stop! He knows what you believe and what is right - you have already done your job in evangelizing him. It’s up to him now.

 

I have a quick question.  We are currently pregnant with number three, I am 12 weeks.  I feel like pregnancy turns my husband into a kid in a candy store. (Sorry to be so blunt).  It is like he knows he can have it whenever he wants.  While we may have a few days go with no sex, with every day that passes I feel his desire and expectation increase.  He tries to be respectful because he knows I am often feeling sick, but I sense his need and expectation and I begin to feel guilty.  Crazy, I know, but I miss the days of charting!!!  I have a husband who is 100% on board with the theology of NFP and so it felt so much easier to feel like sex was sacred.  Now it feels like an expectation.  Anyone else been there, and any suggestions?  Should I just suck it up? (PS.  I do enjoy sex and am not a prude, he just has a much higher sex drive then me, especially when I am sick and pregnant).

 

Well, I’m feeling like a freak b/c I’m 10 weeks preggo (#8) and sick all the time, but sex really helps me feel better at least temporarily.  I feel like I’m the one chasing my hubby around, LOL!  I’ve always had a higher sex drive than he does, so I guess maybe I understand the opposite side of the problem from most ladies.  Feeling rejected sexually can really seem the same as being rejected romantically/emotionally, and it is just plain frustrating physically when you want to but your spouse doesn’t!  Not saying that these feelings can’t be dealt with- that’s where self-mastery and sexual integration and maturity are developed.  But it is still frustrating and I’m embarrassed to say I’ve started more than a few arguments b/c I’ve felt lack of physical intimacy.  I am of the opinion that having sex more often does not make it less sacred… aren’t we encouraged to attend Mass daily when possible?  wink

 

Hello anon,

I hear you on dealing with the husband that feels neglected because of nfp and feeling like u are wierd and alone— i was almost getting a diaphragm when i got my first period pp
Things can be pretty ambiguous and cause unecessary tension :-(

But i dont say this to discourage but to encourage - i prayed for my husband and when i did get around to telling him that i was contemplating abc he said he would rather continue to abstain than sin—and this is in the same week that my period started

So just pray—God moves

 

Hello anon,

I’m just writing to let you know that I have a non-Catholic husband, who is pretty supportive about most stuff but not homeschooling and he’s nervous about NFP (we have yet to be challenged in that regard because we have 2 and both want a 3rd.  I predict some challenges there too).  That sound’s like a normal and healthy dialogue about what is best for your family.  However the strip club threats need to be addressed in some fashion, really that’s your most dangerous gripe and I would certainly address how it makes you feel when he does that.  What’s important is that you continue to work hard to serve God and your husband/family, pray for guidance,  and if you need to vent, you come to a safe community of people who support your Catholicism and MARRIAGE.  Everyone could use the support of the community that faith and family have built! 
My prayers go out to you! Cassie

 

Thank you everyone! (I’m the first anonymous commenter.)  I feel fortified and strengthened by your comments.

 

Invite your selfish husband to have compassion, care and understanding.  While it’s wonderful for a man to have a fulfilling relationship with his wife, there are times in the lady’s cycle when that isn’t possible, if you want to avoid pregnancy.  There is nothing at all wrong with the way you are wanting to lead your Catholic life.  Your husband is the one with the problems, not you.
I am praying for you that you will persevere and that your prayers for your inconsiderate husband will be answered quickly, and that he will return to the faith.  From today’s reading Daniel didn’t agree to follow the wishes of the king.  He was lowered into a pit with lions.  The next day Daniel was unharmed and the king issued a decree that Daniel’s God was to be revered.  I do hope this gives you courage to persevere.  God bless you and your children.  Daniel


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