I don’t have any experience with this, as my only child is only 4 currently, but regarding the confirmation issue: my gut would be to have her attend Mass and confirmation classes, but I wouldn’t actually force her to be confirmed. I would want that to come from her.
Raising the Angry, Agnostic Teen
Posted by Lisa Hendey in Family on Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:00 AM
Following last week’s conversation where you gave aid and support to a mom of a sexually active teen, I received an email from another parent with a problem. The mom in question asks:
“Do you have any resources that can help me talk with a teenager who states he/she is agnostic, doesn’t believe in God and hates the Catholic faith?”
In our continuing conversation, I have learned that the teen in question is—at mom’s insistent request—attending Mass and Confirmation classes in preparation for the sacrament. Mom is praying up a storm, through the intercession of St. Monica, who had more than her fair share of dealings with difficult children.
Along with praying for this mom, I would invite each of you who may have had some experience with rebellious teens to chime in with words of compassion and caring in the comments section below. If you or a friend dealt with a child who rejected his or her religious upbringing, how have you coped, cared, and continued to lovingly support that child? I haven’t (yet) had to deal with this in my own home, but I can imagine the pain, hurt and other feelings that must accompany a situation like this. We would love your shared insights on how to withstand this type of parenting challenge without losing your own faith in the process.
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I feel that way, too, Claire. I chose for them to receive baptism when the baby is too young to choose. I know of people in our parish who are pushing Confirmation to happen sooner and sooner. I personally think it is a huge mistake. Shouldn’t the young adult have the right to “choose” this faith when they are ready? It’s like a special “Rite of Passage” to me…
I hope someone with much more knowledge than I can speak to this, but I think this is a common misperception, and one that I had as well before I started down this path with my older daughter. It’s isn’t a ‘rite of passage’ and it isn’t the point where they accept the faith. Can someone speak to this better than I? Originally there was not the separation between baptism and confirmation. But since confirmation can only be done by the bishop (or his delegate), it wasn’t possible for the bishop to be everywhere. So they began to baptize (which the priest can do) and then confirm all those needing to be confirmed when the bishop was available. It eventually became very stretched out, but (again my understanding) there is a movement to move them back closer together as they originally were. I’m sorry I don’t know how to explain this better, but I hope you will study more about what confirmation is. I will myself, because I should understand it well enough to give a basic explanation and I obviously can’t.
Hi Sheila,
I would love to hear more about this, because I *really* thought it was the teen’s choice. If not, why not?
My children are coming into this age, but not for a couple of years. So, thankfully, I have time for others to “make me smart”. {Grin and wink}
I converted to this faith as an adult, before I got married. I believe my RCIA training was great, and I loved the people who taught it. I remember very vividly that the gentleman teaching said that before I was to be received into the church, that I should have all of my questions answered to my satisfaction and understanding-(as much as is possible in my human weakness and very simple understanding of the amazing mysteries)
and freely choose to be confirmed in the Church….and at the time, I chose confirmation.
I certainly don’t want to lead anyone into temptation by speaking incorrectly about this. I would gladly welcome more answers than I seem to have.
As a DRE, I can say that Sheila is correct. Confirmation is simply the completion of Baptism and was in fact done right after Baptism in the days of the early church. It was not until recently (this past century) that it was done after First Communion in middle school or high school. I think it is a very common misconception that it is “accepting the faith for yourself” or something like that. Here is a link that describes why some diocese are returning the “restored order” of the sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Confirmation, and then Communion) and also gives good info about Confirmation. http://www.ewtn.com/library/BISHOPS/ordsacinit.htm
At my church the kids are confirmed at 11 - I myself was confirmed in 7th grade. I think it’s a mistake to wait until high school - in this world, they need the graces now, before puberty, not after. Just like they had no choice in Baptism and Holy Communion, they should neither have a choice in Confirmation. What if they drift through college, where many kids have their faith challenged, and then never confirm at all? I don’t think you can marry in the church without being confirmed, but I may be wrong. My son had a boy in his confirmation class who was attending for the learning, but he was confirmed in the Eastern Rite as a baby. So it’s not the way it seems, a “decision” for the teen to make.
you CAN marry in the church without being confirmed, just FYI (huge issue with the HS kids in Los ANgeles in the conf. program i taught in. the girls were all there b/c they thought it was req. for their church wedding one day. not that any of them went to mass… sigh)
I went through this with my now 15 year old daughter. She wasn’t hating the church or faith in general, but she definitely doubted her Catholic faith and wasn’t at all sure about being confirmed. I agonized over this. Going to Mass was never a question, but I wasn’t sure I should force her to be confirmed. I wondered if it would be valid if it weren’t her choice. I spoke to our priest and our RE director about this and was assured that confirmation would be valid even if it wasn’t her choice - it is a gift, not something we do or cause. There was one confirmation teacher that she had who was a yeller, and definintely didn’t improve the situation, so I was sympathetic to her about that (my opinion is that not everyone is cut out to do this sort of ministry, so if you aren’t, please don’t). I am fortunate that my daughter continued to talk to me, continued to be open about her feelings, and I could be honest with her about my own experience/conversion, but I didn’t give her the choice about confirmation. I told her after she left our home, she could choose where she went to church, but while she was home, she would be Catholic. She was confirmed, and I don’t know if it was confirmation itself, or just the process of working through her feelings and doubts, but she is such a strong Catholic Christian now. She stands up for her faith, which she doubted before. She even recently made a hard decision to switch to a Christian school (Catholic high school not available here). If your child will talk to you, keep talking. Don’t shut the door on their doubts, because until they face their doubts and decide to believe and follow, their faith isn’t their own - it’s yours. And your faith won’t save them. I don’t know that every story like this has a happy ending, but we have been blessed by one.
Sheila, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. I remain uncertain about the validity of a Confirmation that is not the choice of the person being confirmed… I’m going to ask a few priest friends about that. I praise God for your happy conclusion to the story!
its perfectly valid. afterall, an infant can receive it. the eastern rite does this and until relatively recently, children received confirmation before 1st communion (the proper order). some dioceses have returned to this (fargo, i believe?) b/c the separating it to the older years hasn’t had the desired effect that bishops who changed it thought it might. its not a “graduation” sacrament, or even an “older person” sacrament. its a sacrament of initiation and can be received any time after baptism
now, the graces wouldn’t be available to an unwilling person. a priest once explained that the sacramental graces of baptism (but this applies to confirmation as well) are like a present from God. He’s given it to us, but its our responsibility to open it and use them. we can leave them on the shelf, and ignore their presence, but He’s g iven it to us all the same.
Just to clarify, Lina…the graces are available even to one who is unwilling, but they are not effective. Grace can only have an effect in your life if you want it to, in keeping with the analogy of the sacrament as a gift. The grace/gift is always there if you receive the sacrament, you just need to “unwrap” it.
Lina MGM is correct. In the Eastern Catholic Churches (of which my family & I are members), Confirmation (referred to as the Holy Mystery of Chrismation) is administered to infants immediately after Baptism & is followed by reception of the Holy Eucharist. This tradition highlights the unity of the 3 Sacraments of Christian Initiation. Many Roman Catholic diocese are returning to this ancient & original order of these 3 Sacraments. As the Catechism states (CCC 1316), Confirmation perfects Baptismal grace—they are very closely linked. In the Catholic East, sacred chrism which has been consecrated by the patriarch is used to anoint the forehead, eyes, ears, lips, nose, shoulders, hands, chest & feet of the individual—each carrying rich symbolism as the individual is sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit.
You pray. You can’t give your child the gift of faith, that is from the Holy Spirit. You furthermore can’t force your child to be confirmed. It must be his or her choice. You can insist on Sunday Mass as long as he or she is under your roof. Outside of that, you continue to treat your teenager with love and charity. Parents need to understand that this isn’t a sign of their “failure” as a parent if a teenager rejects the faith. Detachment and prayers, along with love go much farther than forcing the Catholic faith upon someone..
but by this same logic, baptism should be each child’s choice.
i honestly don’t know what i would do if faced with a reluctant or hostile child in this situation, and i can see a parent choosing not to have their child confirmed.
i just think its theologically dangerous to state that “you can’t force them.” are we forcing babies?
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1319 “The candidate for Confirmation who has attained the age of reason must profess the faith, be in the state of grace, have the intention of receiving the sacrament, and be prepared to assume the role of the disciple and witness to Christ, both within the ecclesial community and in temporal affairs”.
And this is the vary reason that the Bishop in our diocese changed the age of confirmation to 7 years (or Grade 2) when they also receive the sacrament of reconciliation and first communion. I believe in our diocese the Bishop noticed an alarming trend, high school students not being confirmed. Was it really the ‘choice’ of the high schooler? Yes, but probably not an informed choice. He found that many of the parents were not catechising (sp?) their children.
I also keep reminding myself it is our child(ren)‘s journey…no longer our journey…. A hard thing to keep remembering. And LOTS of prayer…rosaries every night and throughout the day when I feel they need that prayer coverage of our Lady’s mantle.
My advice is the same as Sheila’s. I have a 14 year old son who I can see is only going through the motions. He doesn’t argue about going to mass but I can tell his heart is not in it. So I, too, can’t wait to see what advice is given here. I would also like to see the converse. Who managed to raise their children into faith filled Catholic adults? What are your pointers? It’s not that I think I’m doing it wrong so much as I would like to do more right. Any particular books that are helpful but not preachy? Any way to start a high school program in your church when confirmation ends?
I was that teen!! Today, my catholic faith is much more conservative than my parents were then or are now. Never give up hope!
Before I continue , I need to but in a disclaimer. I had a younger brother who was raised in the same house home with the same parents, and I honestly do not this he has ever doubted his faith a day in his life. On the other hand, I completely rejected it. I think a lot of it has to do with the individual child, the way the faith was taught, and relationship the parents have with the child. This is particularly true with the father child relationship. Each of us a different so I can only share my story and I hope this helps anyone who is dealing with the pain of a child rejecting his/her faith.
I think people come to accept the faith in one of two ways. Either through the heart or through the head. I happened to be a child who needed to first accept it in my head before my heart would follow. Eventually it was logic and in-depth understanding of the scriptures, which brought me back into the church. I think my brother and both parents were heart people and just did not know the hows and whys of the faith that satisfied my inquires. For them, it was not as critical. For me it was the breaking point. The final straw for me was when my parents could not answer questions and told me I just had to pay more attention in church. From my perspective as a teenager, their repose make them looks like complete idiots following the church like little puppy dogs. On the other hand, if a parent who thinks as I do, pounds in the facts without successfully address the heart with a heart child, I believe a teen would have a similar negative reaction. I believe the faith as to be taught in a way that addresses each particular child’s needs. As parents I think it is too easy to teach as we need to be taught and it is easy to miss the mark. On the other hand you also have to keep faith that some things you have said all those years have sunk in. They may be stored in the box marked ‘things I rolled my eyes at’ but at least they are stored.
The relationship you have with your child is so critical also. It is important anyways, but it is particularly sensitive after a teenager rejects the faith. The teen needs to know you love them no matter what path they follow and they need to see you truly acting like a Christian. This is SO incredibly important if they are ever going to come back to the church. The world offers them lots and lots of garbage and they will eventually see it when what it at home is so clean and pure. Fathers are on the hook more than anyone. They are an earthly example of Christ and how they act and relate will have profound influence on any ones vision of God. Years later, I read about this connection, and I blown away with the parallels I drew between my earthly father and my father in heaven.
I could go on and write a book about my experiences. Parents stay calm and unwavering in your faith, show love and compassion for others without judgment. Find ways to serve the community with your teenager. Talk to them about what they think and feel (they need to know your views can hold up to secular ones even without God in the middle). Never underestimate the level of influence your actions are on your teenager when they see you practicing what you teach. God is searching for them, give them ever reason to want to be found again.
My two older sons, ages 16 & 14, have not been to Mass regularly in almost a year. I allowed them, after they received Confirmation, to stop going to Mass. I figured if they were just going through the motions, why bother? This past Sunday at Mass, not only did I see two of their peers at Mass with their families, but Father mentioned something about bringing loved ones back to Mass! I figured that was God telling me he wanted them back at Mass. I have told them they must attend until they’re 18, then it’s they’re choice. I also told them they cannot receive communtion until they go to confession. Their father has not been to confession since I don’t know when & still recieves! In fact, everyone at our parish recieves!!! It’s so frustrating. Please pray for us! Thanks!
I am worried that my kids will ALL turn in to angry, agnostic teens because of my husband! He is all about teaching the anguish of Hell, how you must stay on the straight and narrow or you will be lost forever! Gah!
I have talked to them about how much God loves us, Jesus died for us because he loves us so much and wants what is right for us….it’s so disheartening to feel that they aren’t interested in being Catholic once they leave us….I will offer extra prayers for this Mom and I hope there is a happy ending ...someday
As a parish youth minister and also the coordinator of Confirmation at my parish, I get this question all of the time. Although I do not have a teenager yet, I have worked with many teens and parents in the past. My heart goes out to this parent and similar parents. As I explain at my preparation meetings, Confirmation is probably one of the most misunderstood sacraments in the church. IT IS NOT A CHOICE. Our Cardinal mentions this erroneous understanding in a letter he sends to all of the parishes in the archdiocese. He explains that we do not choose God, rather, we respond to the gift He gives us. God chooses us! Yes, our willingness is important but it is like others said, a gift that we may leave unwrapped if we are not willing to respond wholeheartedly to the graces. What I recommend to parents is that ultimately it is a family decision whether or not to confirm. The Church is not in the business of “forcing” sacraments on anyone. However, I don’t encourage waiting until the teen/child/person is “ready”. Are we really ever ready for anything in our lives? Besides, if you really love your child, why would you want to delay this beautiful sacramental grace for a teen who is obviously struggling in many areas? There are many things that parents and families can do. One, continue to pray and be a loving and compassionate witness to the faith. Yes, this may be challenging but mom and dad need to be on board. Also, continue to talk to your child. Keep the lines of communication open. Answer their concerns but not necessarily with trite answers. Look up the answers to the questions together. Get some theology books that can answer those hard and difficult questions. Talk to the DRE/Youth Minister or coordinator of Confirmation and catechist. Explain your concerns and ask them for any help or resources. Hopefully they are already aware, but if not, let them know that you want to take a more active role in helping your teen grow in their faith. Ideally the catechist and other leaders will take a proactive role in answering these questions. if not, ask for a different catechist. Get the sponsor involved as much as possible. If you don’t have a sponsor, GET ONE IMMEDIATELY. The role of the sponsor is to represent the community and journey with the candidate. Get a sponsor who really cares and is really into his/her faith. Don’t just get the family friend or family member who is not involved in the faith because you don’t want to hurt someone’s feelings. Ask the sponsor to talk with and pray with the teen. Sometimes, teens have a totally different attitude and relationship with non-family members. I also recommend that the teen goes through all of the preparation (i.e. retreats, sessions, service projects, etc) and then at the very end if they are still really struggling, maybe then make a decision about delaying the sacrament. Often what happens is that the teen wants to go through with it despite their doubts or feelings because they have already prepared. Years down the road hopefully the sacrament will have a deeper meaning. And also YOU are still the parent and YOU still tell them to go to school, do their chores, etc. so why is faith all of a sudden a “choice”? Ultimately at the end of your life when you stand before God and answer for all of the decisions in your life, will you be satisfied with all that you did for your family and for their sanctity? My prayers are with all of you who are parents struggling with your teens. Don’t give up hope, continue to show and share your love with them and if possible, have your teens go on a retreat!!!! These work really well for teens and it helps them with head/heart connection.
“IT IS NOT A CHOICE. Our Cardinal mentions this erroneous understanding in a letter he sends to all of the parishes in the archdiocese. He explains that we do not choose God, rather, we respond to the gift He gives us. God chooses us! Yes, our willingness is important but it is like others said, a gift that we may leave unwrapped if we are not willing to respond wholeheartedly to the graces. What I recommend to parents is that ultimately it is a family decision whether or not to confirm. The Church is not in the business of “forcing” sacraments on anyone. However, I don’t encourage waiting until the teen/child/person is “ready”. Are we really ever ready for anything in our lives?”
Wow. I am pretty surprised.
Rather shocked. I guess this whole bunch of stuff surprises me….it is a SACRAMENT—
The church is not in the habit of forcing sacraments on people, but yet, don’t wait until they are ready?
What about marriage? Holy orders? They are sacraments, too. I may not have known what was in store for me when I chose marriage, but I was still READY—-nobody forced me to get married because I went to class, and was the right age. I mean REALLY!
I heard someone else’s point about having Confirmation at the same time as First Communion/Penance so they could “catch them before they hit the teen years”, and I disagree. Thank you to Jennifer for putting in the quote from the Catechism.
I think what also needs to be addressed is the reason for the Church returning to what is called The Restored Order of the Sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation/Chrismation, Holy Eucharist—administered in that order, all at once, as the Sacraments of Initiation)—as the Sacraments are still celebrated in the Eastern Catholic Churches.
Sacraments are not earned or merited. For this reason, Confirmation should not be perceived as the Sacrament of adult commitment to the Church. In her wisdom, the Church requires priests to Confirm infants & children younger than the age of reason when they are in danger of death so that they may receive the FULLNESS of the Holy Spirit—that fullness is received for Baptized individuals when they are Confirmed/Chrismated.
An authentic, mature commitment to Christ & His Church is not achieved at a single moment, but throughout the life-long deepening of our relationship with Christ. This begins in childhood & continues until death.
Marriage & Holy Orders are Sacraments, but differ in that they are also vocational callings—whereas the Sacraments of Initiation are not. In this day & age, our children need all the Sacramental graces that are available to them!
I know some Confirmation instructors who would love to see kids recieve the Sacrament younger than highschool. Not so much to “catch them” before they get away but, rather, to make the fullness of the graces available to the kids as they navigate the teen years. There is so much in society that seeks to undermine faith that we need all the supernatural help we can get. It also might help to counter the idea that Confirmation is some sort of Catholic graduation…when it’s just finally getting full membership benefits (fullness of the gifts of the Holy Spirit).
you can’t really compare the preparation process for Holy Orders and Marriage in the same way that you do Confirmation. First of all, initiation into the church (Baptism, Eucharist and Confirmation) is quite different from these sacraments of service of vocation. More prep should be done for H.O. and Marriage which for H.O. is an average of 7 years. Men are ready for this but very differently than Confirmation. No one can get “unconfirmed” but priests can become laicized and there are annulments and divorces. In terms of being ready, my point is that, how many children are really “ready” for 1st Communion? Confirmation is not an “adult” sacrament so being “ready” for something as a teenager, the typical age for the reception of the sacrament or even younger, is quite different than being ready for a lifelong VOCATION (i.e. marriage and Holy Orders). and I would argue and say that most people getting married in the church are not READY for marriage (i.e. divorce, contraception, cohabitation before marriage). Parents have a right to choose for their children the sacraments of initiation, however all of us have the responsibility to help everyone be AS ready as they can be for any sacrament they receive.
This is a topic near and dear to my heart. You see, my oldest is one of those heart ones that Tammy describes - has never waivered in her faith - she is 20. Number 2 guy, age 18 - it’s not there for him. He is a cerebral one. But I totally agree with appealing to heart and/or brain. This one needs to understand his faith differently. He’s confirmed, he’s struggling, we have long talks - he’s working at it in his own way. I can’t ask for more than that. Church is required in our house, confession is a family event during Lent and Advent, at all other times, we invite them. Number 3, at age 14, seems to cling to his faith, and understands it instinctively - time will tell with the next 3 kids. Handing down the faith to the next generation and getting them to understand and live our awesome faith is so near and dear to my husband. You see, we’ve been in Infant Baptism Ministry for almost 20 years. We have watched the face of parenting change. We have grave concerns for our young ones - so much so that we each teach 2 confirmation classes and we speak at Pre-Cana conferences. We very much realize that over time, the last few decades of kids have not been taught their faith - it is not their fault. Many of the current parents of young ones have also not been raised in their faith. It has become a case of the blind leading the blind. So why wouldn’t today’s teens question faith when they become immersed in confirmation classes? It makes perfect sense that they would be this way. Understanding that has helped us rise to the challenge of preparing them for confirmation. I have learned to teach them that they don’t have to have all the answers. My favorite way to get them to understand this is to get them to ask their parents why the parents want them to be confirmed. Most parents can’t give a good answer. But then I point out that in spite of not being able to describe it, each parent really wants confirmation for their teen. It’s a down deep desire that we seem to innately know is important. The action of them signing up the kids for CCD, clearing the calendar, getting them there…. that speaks more than words, doesn’t it? We’ve also learned that it’s not enought to instruct straight out of the book and leave it at that. We know they have questions about Catholcism that are not dealt with in the book. They see and live in the outside world that resonates with tolerance for homosexualtiy, abortion, sex outside of marriage, cohabitation - there are other Christian faiths with married priests, etc. This is the stuff they are asking about. So I encourage the questions - anonymously on slips of paper at first - and I take them one at a time - always using the Catechism, and good apologetic websites (start with catholic.com) and I walk them through it. The answers beget more questions. The discussions take up more and more class time. So much so that I have to make them agree to read the chapters, be able to answer a few questions about the chapter to prove they read it. I point out the important points and away we go to their questions. They want and need to understand the Catholic faith and what it teaches. The heated and sometimes difficult discussions are more than worth it. Over time, I give them (and their parents - so they are on the same page) the websites that I know are safe and well done to find the answers to their questions. (phatmass.com and lifeteen.com are a great place for teens to start) They are challenged at school and on the field by kids of other Christian faiths. They don’t even know how to defend, or that they can defend their faith at first. When they learn how to answer those questions, I discover that they’ve been “surfing” around those sites learning on their own. That’s when they start to own it. That’s when they start to WANT it. It is amazing to behold. God is so good to let me witness this in those teens. Somewhere along the way we have a deep discussion about what it means to be confirmed. It doesn’t mean that they accept the rules and regulations blindly and confirm that they will carry on mindlessly. That’s not what God wants. God accepts and understands that we are all processing this differently because he made us all differently. I should think He expects it. What we are saying when we are confirmed, I tell the teens, is event though I don’t get it all, even thought I don’t understand it all, even though I’m struggling to agree with some of it, and even live it - I think this is what I want. I’m starting to KNOW that this is what I want or need. I’m now willing to confirm my parents choice when they had me baptized, but I realize that means that with prayer and study, I may get better at it a little at a time. Somehow, I’m hooked enough that I realize in depths of my heart and soul - and that even though some of this stuff boggles my mind and staggers the imagination - there is just something about this that I know - this is the right choice for me. This is as far as I can hope to get most of the teens. And I tell them, that this is pretty much how it is for most adults. We all struggle to understand and accept and live our faith in a plethora of ways. For most of us, most of it is cut and dry, and there are other components that we struggle with. I love to point out how priests struggle to explain the Trinity on Trinity Sunday homilies. Inevitably, a priest will tell us how difficult it is to explain - and yet they are up there, struggling with it, because they believe - and they want so much to share with us. Doesn’t that also speak volumes? Don’t give up parents. I totally agree with the calm, affirming approach. And tons and tons of prayer. But don’t give up - beautiful things will happen…
As for books - try “Do I have to go?” by Matthew Pinto and Chris Stefanick, “Blessed are the Bored in the Spirit” by Mark Hart. I recommend parents read first. Also, “I Choose God” by Chris Cuddy and Peter Ericksen - witness by young adults describing their struggles to accept and live the faith - gives great insights on young ones to the adults who love them so. “Here. Now” by Amy Welborn - will tug at the heart strings of ones who need to be addressed in that way. And then there is Apologetics for teens - the “Prove It” series by Amy Welborn does a lot of explaining. Also, “100 Things Every Catholic Teen Should Know” by Mark Hart and Todd Lemieux. As Lent is around the corner, pick one up, read it and tuck it in the Easter Basket for your teens.
I was an angry, anti-Catholic teen. I attended all CCD classes but was thoroughly underwhelmed by the lack of knowledge of instructors and the frivolity of the other kids, and in my self-righteous teenaged mind, that meant that I rejected the Church…til I went thru RCIA and was confirmed at age 30! (Woo-hoo!)
I do not know if I really have any advice for this parent (in the original post), but what I would do is enlist all the prayer warriors you can: the teen’s baptismal godparents, cloistered nuns and monks in orders who will adopt your family for this intention…
I love Catholic Answers’ website, and this is what I found that might be helpful to the discussion:
This link speaks to the intention/validity aspect:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=291649&highlight=confirmation
This one raises the issue of invalid vs. illicit:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=64659
Although, thankfully, we haven’t dealt with this with our own children, my oldest son’s best friend is atheist. I am always looking for little things that will help my son defend his faith or shed light on the source of our faith. This month’s Magnificat has a great introduction by Fr. Richard Veras. It is called the Preference Test. My family took it and it helped us to talk about how we are naturally drawn to a belief in God. It opened the door to discuss the seed that God plants in our hearts that we must tend and care for in order for faith to flourish. The short article reminded me of a line from Hinds’ Feet on High Places when the young women realizes that she would rather believe in something that wasn’t than lose hope in God. We will be praying for this family.
Looks like some have gotten sidetracked from the topic. Yes, one of the commenters did ask about Confirmation, but this article started out asking for help with a teen that was believing she was agnostic. I don’t have a teen, yet, but aside from the praying,and lots of Rosaries, I’d suggest keeping the lines of communication open. In a loving, non-judgemental way, ask questions…What had she heard that made her start to question her faith, and the Catholic church? Is she hearing this from friends? What in the Church does she disagree with? Does she fully understand what it means to be Agnositc? Then answer these questions/answers with knowledge and love. If you don’t know how to answer the question, or refute the answer, tell her you’ll find out, or suggest you find out together. http://www.Catholic.com is awesome for that. There are also some great books out that may help either her, or you. Arm yourself with knowledge. MOST of us can always learn more about our Faith…unless you have a PhD in Theology. I suspect even then something can be learned.
Her relationship with you and your husband has a big impact on her view of God and the Church. Try to keep it as open and loving as possible, but remember, you are still the MOM and set the rules. Church is not an option as long as she’s living under your roof. My mom used to say, “They may get it by rear end-mosis. They put their rear ends in the pew and get it.” lol! Prayers for your family.
Yes, Terri, we’re getting sidetracked. Your comments are great and are pretty much what I would say. Maybe someone has already said this, but I would add to fast and make sacrifices for your child(ren). We all left the Church at one point; through God’s grace and my mother’s rosaries, prayers, fasting and sacrificing for us, 3 out of 4 are back in the faith.
I will also add for mothers of younger children, to *live the faith in the home*. My mother would tell you that not doing this was her big mistake - she counted on one Mass a week, some CCD around sacrament time and once-a-year confessions to lock us in. It didn’t work! There are so many beautiful traditions to follow year round, and of course the family rosary. Start one decade at a time, even one Hail Mary at a time, and work your way up to a full rosary. If I can do it with my kids, believe me when I say anyone can.
I’ve have not heard the different opinions about confirmation before. I’m definitely going to read more about that.
There are people I know who were raised in a Catholic home, educated in an orthodox Catholic high school and college, served on national ministry teams (such as NET) and still reached a point in their life where they lost their faith or the nature of their faith changed in a way that they did not hold on to beliefs they may have embraced previously . So often I hear when someone does not hold fast to the Magisterium it is because they were not taught the faith well. This is simply not true.
When I take look at how my mother and grandmother were taught the faith it was very orthodox. My mom could recite the Baltimore Catechism practically by heart. Yet it was a very rigid faith that was often fear based. The pre-vatican II days were not glory days to me. There was much that was taught that was not healthly or balanced. There are so many complaints about how poorly people are taught the faith these days. However, I do not see the generations as having been better taught. Generations before may have lived external rules better (Mass attendance, no meat on Fridays, Holy days of obligation, no eating along time before communion..) but at least in my family there was not the deep understanding. (I know others may have a different experience).
My advice is to live your own relationship with God deeply. Let your marriage be an example of God’s love. Have fun with your child. Let your child ask questions. Don’t nag them about the faith.
I don’t necessarily think the pre-Vatican II days were glory days either, but that doesn’t justify the lack of good catechesis that is so common today. I mean good catechesis that is not fear-based, not just memorizing a set of rules, but truly learning the reasoning behind the rules, in the context of a personal relationship with God. Maybe the people you know left the faith for other reasons, but there are also plenty of people who leave due to poor catechesis. There are a variety of reasons for people’s departure from the faith. I totally agree with some of the previous comments that talked about developing faith through the heart or through the head. I think a balance of both would be ideal.
At what point in time do you think we had good catechesis? All of my relatives who grew up in the 40’s and 50’s relate how awful their childhood faith formation was. And it is not just my relatives. It is also people in my parish who grew up in the same time frame.
Of course there are people who leave the faith for all kinds of reasons. No argument there. It is just not true that they all leave because they did not receive good catechesis.
anonymous,
I find your comment to be interesting, because it is precisely the people I know who grew up in the 40s & 50s (my parents, aunts, uncles, parish friends, etc.)—who were mostly educated by priests, nuns or religious brothers—who have been a wonderful example of life-long, faithful Catholics. I certainly think catechesis was more solid back then—but a lot of it is cultural & societal, too. Today’s generation mostly sees hardship, suffering & sacrifice as evils to be avoided at all cost—those before us saw these as opportunities to persevere & to serve others out of love for God & neighbor.
Patricia,
I wish I could say the same for my family. When I take a minute to reflect on both sides of our family they are most definitely Catholic. I look at my in laws, my parents, aunts, uncles who were raised in the 40’s and 50’s. They do have a good work ethic. But I wouldn’t say their catecheis was good and neither would they. Sometimes the people of this generation learned all the rules and regulations. Then at some point in their life attended a marriage encounter or charismatic prayer group where they experienced the heart of their faith. The knowledge they had was integrated with a relationship with the living God. (that is good catechesis!!) When they have shared their early faith formation they relate that it was fear based and that they did not truly understand their faith until their involvement in a movement that brought in their hearts..
My grandmother was only educated thru 8th grade. She was raised in a large, devout Catholic family that lived on a farm. They needed her help. She spoke with such sadness about her childhood. She often stated that children were to be seen and not heard in her family. Her parents did not have time or energy to be present to their kids. They had more children than they could care for and meet the basic needs of. These are not glory days to me—I don’t agree when people say how good things used to be. She never recovered from this. In my family is it a repeated pattern of knowing the rules and regulations but being unable to integrate their faith into their heart fully.
Back then people would not think about using gov’t assistance the way we use it now. So there is that loss of understanding of the meaning of hardship, suffering, sacrifice and personal responsibility being lost. In my grandmother’s day they did not have the knowledge of NFP that we have today. Of course there is always abstinance-but that takes 2 willing people and I have a feeling women sometimes did not have that choice. Or maybe there was a lack of understanding theologically and they considered avoiding a pregnancy sinful—I don’t know.
I do understand we all come from different perspectives. So I appreciate your experience.
Another thought I had is that we should focus on the basics of the gospel message. Help our kids to understand mercy, redemption, grace, forgiveness, sacrifice. They need to understand how to have a relationship with God on a very basic level before they understand all the theology of the church.
I would recommend some resources for the daughter.—If she is questioning the existence of God, Peter Kreeft’s book “Yes or No” is excellent and a fast read (if she will read it). Another option is CDs available for a very reasonable cost from Lighthouse Catholic Media (LighthouseCatholicMedia.org). They have an enormous catalogue of titles for just about every audience. All the best.
I have a nineteen year old son who told me about a year ago that he was an atheist. At first, I was angry at myself, my husband, the public school, and the Parish. But now, I am more relaxed because I see that God is at work (my son received Reconciliation, Confirmation and First Eucharist in sixth grade). My son and I have a good relationship and the lines of communication are open, but I don’t bring up the topic often because I don’t want him to become defensive. However, I do talk about God, Faith, and Church with my husband and other children, so he knows what I believe and love and hope. Because my son still lives at home, he is required to attend Mass with us. He doesn’t fight this because he likes to sing and the choir loves him. Besides prayer, I think that keeping him involved in the Parish is the best thing I can do.
I don’t really think you can force an over 18 year old to go to mass is he or she does not want to, Forcing attendance actually can make them hate mass more
I left the faith and cam back to it as my mother did a good job on instilling it in me. My 17 year old daughter no longer goes but the seeds are there and I am leaving it fallow. I suspect she will return as I did
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