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Thirty Percent Success Rate

“The overall IVF success rate sits at around 30% today.”

I was astonished to read that statistic in a story about in vitro fertilization over the weekend.

Holly Finn’s moving firsthand account of her visceral longing for a child and the painful path she’s been on to have one lacks a Catholic or pro-life perspective.

You won’t read a word in it about the plight of frozen embryos, selective reduction of embryos or the rights of children to know their parents and to have both a mother and father.

Nevertheless, I learned a great deal from her experience, particularly from the things she wishes she’d understood when she was younger.

For one thing, she offers a poignant reminder that even when you’re not one of the 12% of couples suffering from infertility, life is a gift not under our control:

In any given month, with a man whose parts are in order, a healthy woman’s chance of getting pregnant naturally is 20% to 25% if she’s in her 20s, 10% to 15% in her 30s, and 5% in her 40s. Really, it’s miraculous at any age.

She’s brutally honest with us, and therefore exposes herself to our judgment about her moral choices; what was more interesting to me was not the points of conflict with Church teaching in her perspective, but her points of intersection with it, particularly her re-thinking of the wisdom of postponing family life

The first thing I’d like to tell women ages 26 to 34 is: Start having babies. I know it’s not polite or funny. But I don’t want others to go through what I’m going through now.

There’s also her innate sense that IVF is inhuman, even though she is pursuing it. Ponder the pathos in this passage, for example:

On a walk by the sea one blustery day, a friend told me he’d never hire a hooker. “It’s efficient,” he said, “but there’s something so sad about not being able to get it for free.” Picking a sperm donor feels like that, at least at first. For months before I started IVF, I sat down at my computer, logged on to a sperm bank and stood up again.

I’ve never wanted to pick a man just so I could have children. I craved something less logical. My first love was the man who drove all night in the snow to New York City. He called me from the corner of 93rd Street and Third Avenue and said nothing except, “Look out your window.” There he was, shivering at the pay phone, gorgeously spontaneous. I miss pay phones.

And I believe in soul mates. So how did I end up cruising a cryobank? Is this the punishment for romanticism: having to do the least romantic thing in the world? Like many, I trusted that marriage and children—my family—would happen. In the meantime, I lived my life. I fell in with some fascinating men, up close and unvarnished, and had conversations I can still quote. I didn’t want to settle at 25. I wanted adventures. I just didn’t imagine their cost, and how I would struggle to keep paying it.

I’d be curious to know your responses.


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Pretty sad to read. I think the best thing we can do is continue to share the good news of the natural methods we have to track, diagnose, and treat fertility issues.

Every time the subject of infertility comes up, (be with a man or a woman), I try to share my own experiences with infertility and tout the wonders of ‘charting’ and NaProTechnology - http://www.naprotechnology.com/ (we first learned Creighton Model and it has helped us to conceive, especially after pregnancy losses). I make sure to tell them that it has proven equally effective to (and possibly moreso than) IVF, then try to write down or later send them the links to the Center for Women’s Health - http://www.naprotechnology.com/ncwh.htm and the Pope Paul the VI Institute - http://www.popepaulvi.com/ . I also offer (usually to women) to help them learn how to track their fertility, saying how wonderful it is to have some idea of what your body is doing and that I’ve actually known more than many of my secular docs about my condition. Most individuals I encounter are happy to hear it even though not many are Catholic or even practicing any sort of faith. In the last year I’ve taught 3 non-Catholic friends to use NFP or was able to set them up with an instructor!

It’s crushing to see how prevalent the world’s approach is to infertility, but so rewarding to see how God works when we try to share His way but a little bit…

 

My heart goes out to women with an unfulfilled longing for a baby. That article was very interesting because it is insight into a completely different mind- and heart-set. God bless that woman and all women who feel compelled to follow that particular path to motherhood. And God bless all the children born and unborn through this process.

 

Read that article by Holly Finn in the Weekend edition of the WSJ at Starbucks on Saturday morning.  Had the same reaction you did.  Fascinating, scary and at the end of the day, despite traveling different roads, both Holly and I ended up at the same conclusions (as you listed above).  I am 42, like Holly, and I have two advanced degrees.  Practiced in the medical profession for about 5 years full time, then part time after baby.  Now am full time mom to my seven blessings.  All’s I could think was how sad my heart would be if I were 42 and childless.

 

Infertility is heartbreaking.  But for us Catholics, the months and years of pining for children can provide us with abundant gifts, gifts that secular infertile couples will never obtain, especially if they seek artificial means of reproduction.

I, too, recommend the Pope Paul VI Institute.  We suffered over 7 years with secondary infertility, and Dr. Hilgers, along with much prayer and God grace, was able to treat our infertility and is the reason we have our 10 month old Dominic and are expecting our third.  Please feel free to visit my blog for more information. 

God is so good to those who love Him.

 

My hope is that the pro-life movement will begin to speak up for the untold numbers of nascent human lives lost through IVF & other assisted reproductive technologies.

 

I find it interesting that those with abundant fertility and 5+ children can condemn women who want nothing more than to give birth to and love a child. 
Until you have been faced with a similar situation, please don’t judge other’s decisions.

 

I don’t think anyone is intending to condemn the women who so desire to have & love a child (which is a natural & beautiful desire)—the desire for such a thing is not wrong, it is the means used (IVF, etc.) to attain that end which are wrong.  The number of lives lost through IVF is staggering.   
IVF violates human dignity because it does not respect & protect human life from the moment of conception.  The desire for a child (a good thing) at any cost (not a good thing) can lead to human life being a commodity.  IVF separates human procreation from the conjugal union between husband & wife.  Because the human person is a unity of body & spirit, both the unitive & procreative aspects of this union must be expressed spiritually & physically.  By IVF, we become the masters of human life, instead of its stewards.

 

It’s not judgement, it’s concern for the children as well as the people seeking pregnancy.  Having suffered infertility I found the Church’s teachings to be sanity saving.  A definitive line was drawn that we would not cross.  It allowed us to grieve for our lost dreams and move on, without the added weight of the massive financial, physical and emotional toll of pursuing IVF or other assisted reproduction technologies.  Our family isn’t as we envisioned it on our wedding day but, through the blessing of adoption and a surprise pregnancy, it’s better than we ever imagined.

 

Condemn?  Judge?  Amy, in all kindness and charity, I am caught scratching my head at your reply—are we reading the same comments?  I’ve read “heartbreaking” and “my heart goes out” a few times, but even on a second read-through, I can’t find condemnation or judgment.  I don’t even pick up on the #of kids other people have…please, is there something specific that’s been said?  If so, it would be helpful to point it out.  God bless you!

 

I don’t have abundant fertility or 5+ children (naprotechnology is good, but sometimes infertility goes unresolved regardless).  I have three miscarried babies in Heaven and one adopted child who I love more than life itself and who I never would have been blessed with had I pursued and succeeded at IVF.  That being said, I don’t condemn this woman, and I haven’t seen any post here that has condemned her, either.  If there’s any judgment at all, it’s against the IVF industry that makes money over people’s desperation for a child, and enables people to foster that desperation without looking at the consequences (unwanted “surplus” embryos who are never brought to term, for example).

 

I suffered from infertility for 7 years, now have one child and I do condemn the woman, not simply for wanting a child. If you read her article you’d see that she 1-won’t adopt a child, 2-has no concern for the potential child’s life without a father, 3-took the morning after pill when she was in her 30s since she didn’t want a baby at the time even though her boyfriend said it would be okay and 4-now she’s creating lives in a lab which have died and will do the same again.  2 through 4 of the above should be condemned by Catholics, especially IVF where lives are destroyed.

 

It’s not up to us to condemn;  that’s God’s job.  We can, however, judge her actions to be sinful, which they are.  There’s a difference between judging someone’s actions and condemning or judging the person themselves.

 

Yes, I’m using the definition of condemn meaning to express strong disapproval of Ms Finn’s behavior.

 

Totally agree.  Longing for a child (which I can relate to all too well) doesn’t justify pursuing it through unethical techniques that degrade life.

 

Exactly. As in all of Church teaching: The ends never justify the means.

 

As someone who has suffered from primary and secondary infertility, I ask those who have been blessed with children to pray for the many who are longing to become parents. If 1/100 of the time spent by doctors pushing IVF had been spent trying to find solutions to infertility issues, we might not have seen the rates of infertility climb from 8% to 12% in just the past 10 years. IVF is bad medicine for mother and child. Infertility within the woman is often a sign of some underlying health issues that need to be corrected for a woman’s long term health. IVF does nothing to help with that. Many women with infertility will not be able to sustain an IVF pregnancy because the underlying causes haven’t been identified: miscarriage, premature birth, birth defects are all common with IVF, sometimes because there are reproductive problems that have been left untouched. We women deserve better care than the birth control pill and IVF which seem to be the standards of care for women’s reproductive health.

After 4 years of trying and a year of wasting my time with local ob/gyns I finally traveled 5 hours away to work with a NaPro doctor. Nine months later I conceived! We need more doctors who work toward solutions instead of pushing for IVF.

 

My husband and I also suffered through infertility for 5 years before conceiving our daughter. Like Holly, we had male infertility. We thankfully found an amazing urologist that helped my husband correct some medical issues and we were able to conceive (actually now twice!). I also was helped through NaPro to help correct some issues.

I am also a FertilityCare practitioner and have worked with many women that have failed IVF (NaPr success rate is about 80%). Recently one woman I worked with was told by another doctor to do IVF and she was heartbroken. This is because it cuts at her dignity and soul. It reroutes her entire system instead of trying to heal her. This also hurts me when I hear couples being sold something that is degrading to their core beings.

This is just another example of how some see the Church’s “no” as degrading but really it is a “yes” to life and to our dignity as human beings. Thank God for Church Teaching, because it led me to a life following Jesus and the Church. Really, what more could I ask for?

 

I am a mother of four adopted children and former foster mother, married 34 years.  I am also a director of religious education at my parish and just did a term paper on the church’s teachings on contraception and IVF, as well as the political, emotional, theological, ethical, and financial problems that stem from IVF in particular.  I know the suffering of infertility and I started having problems at 19, was married at 21, and started trying to have children at 24.  Like the article said, it is a miracle at any age. 
At our parish, we are going to start teaching the Theology of the Body for Teens, as well as middle schoolers, and adults (by Ascension Press).  Everyone needs to understand that life is a gift, not to be used, nor manipulated.  Once we understand the preciousness of that gift (at as early an age as possible), we will know the freedom and joy of our true vocations as beloved children of God.

 

We also dealt with infertility through the first years of our marriage (now expecting our third - yay PPVI Institute!) and, like Maureen said above, the Church’s teaching on infertility treatments was such a blessing.  Infertility testing and treatment is, by nature (even if it’s morally licit), invasive and intrusive.  It was wonderful to know that Mother Church was there to guard the heart of our marriage and our personhood throughout.  We could trust that our dignity (and that of potential children) would be safeguarded.
And it made us keep our priorities straight: children are a blessing, but God is really the only source of happiness for the human heart.  We could never say “we’d do anything to have a child” because we knew that that wasn’t strictly true - our relationship with God was more important and that kept us from pinning all our hopes for fulfillment on children, who should not have to bear that burden from their parents.

 

I’ve said this before, but I think it bears repeating:  the Church has a long way to go when it comes to providing infertility support to its members.  There is far more support for post-abortive women than there is for infertile couples.  Maybe if the Church provided more support and education, less Catholics would resort to IVF.  I can’t tell you how hard I tried to start a ministry in my diocese and parish, and was met with resistance every step of the way.

 

I agree, there is very little support for Catholic couples going through infertility. Our diocese has only recently started promoting NFP, but there is still no information on infertility treatment for Catholics - and what testing/treatment is or is not acceptable. There are some tests which have to be done in a particular way to comply with Church teaching - on several occasions we have had to fight the (secular) sample collection/testing company to do the test - How many couple encounter this sort of attitude and just go along with the status quo because they are not being given the education and support they need. And until recently there was no access to Naprotechnology, and even now the closest doctor is 4 hours drive away.

 

I agree Claire the Church does have a long way to go in support of infertile couples.  Above there was a comment that said, “God is so good to those who love him”  Remarking how babies came after years.  God is good but that does not mean that everyone will be able to get pregnant and God is still good even though babies may not ever come (biologically).  I hear too much scorn for small families or only children at times and it makes me sad.  I have not had to deal with infertility personally.

 

Very true, Beth.  God is good and he does bless people who are faithful, but not always the way we ask to be blessed.  Just as Dr. Hilgers and Naprotechnology are very effective, but they’re still not going to be able to resolve infertility 100% of the time.  I also get very worried that I will be treated like an outsider for having only one child, especially if we end up homeschooling (I know that homeschooling communities have lots of large families).  I think it’s great when people have large families, but not everyone is called to have a large family, and not everyone is physically able to have a large family.  Unless someone comes right out and says that they’re using artificial contraception, I think we need to give them the benefit of the doubt rather than make presumptions about the reasons behind their family size.  And if someone is using NFP to avoid a pregnancy, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have a serious reason instead of speculating that their reason might be frivolous. 

Another thing that sometimes makes me cringe is the phrase “children are a gift”.  Now of course I’m not disputing that they are a gift.  But when I hear that phrase, my first though is “why does God choose to give this gift to some people over and over again, when I had to practically pry this gift from his hands?  Is it because he loves me less than others?”

 

Claire, I understand how hard it must be to hear that and wonder why God did not send those same gifts to you.  The birth rate to unmarried moms in the US in 37%.  Most of them got pregnant via sex not IVF.  Conception is a miracle but also a biological miracle and sometimes pregnancy happens in the worst of situations (abusive parents) and sometimes does not happen in the best of situations (loving, married couple) The way in which God decides to send the gift of children is not consistent and we would never be able to reconcile it no matter how hard we try.  At least I have trouble understanding it.

I do hope if you homeschool you fnid a loving group that oes not count your worth on how many children you have.  I really don’t think you should have to explain yourself to anyone as to why you only have one kid.  They should treat you no differently.

 

Beth, thank you for your kind words.  I totally agree that pregnancy is a biological miracle.  Yes, children are gifts, but God has set it up that they occur based on a biological process, regardless of the circumstances of those who engage in that process (married vs single, IVF vs the marital act, etc).  God has given us free will.  He doesn’t orchestrate every detail of our lives. I think that sometimes he chooses to intervene and give people a miracle, but if he did that all the time, it wouldn’t seem so miraculous.  In my case, it appears that he didn’t give me the miracle of overcoming infertility because instead he had a different blessing/gift/miracle (whatever you want to call it) in mind for me.  I am very happy with my gift.  I can’t say that it has completely removed my longing to experience biological parenting, and ideally I would love to have experienced both kinds of miracles (and it would have been nice to have had a larger family).  But, if I’m meant to only have one child, I’m very glad to have the one that I was blessed with.  And I couldn’t possibly love him more if I shared his genes, conceived him, carried him to term, breastfed him, etc.  To me, that in and of itself is a miracle.  Only God could help someone as fallible as me to be able to love another human being that profoundly.

 

THANK YOU for this blog!!! After reading the article in the Wall Street Journal there was a strong desire to share reflections, so thank you for opening the forum. 

1. I’m a 34 year old single woman, not dating (please pray for me!) so my first thought was that happiness for single women can not come from having a baby or not.  I am meant to be happy with or without a child, success, or any number of other “creatures”- yes, as they are not God in Himself (which this author did not understand)- but need to find the reason for my joy in who I am.  From the article, and the retold stories of past relationships, it seems like Ms. Finn has been broken several times (one man split from her because she wouldn’t give him the 4 children he wanted, maybe only 1 or 2.

2. This gets into the ME mentality in our society.  I want what I want as I want it when I want it and I will have it this way or else… And if there is failure?  Do we know how to deal with disappointment? The IVF regimen that is listed shows that each day must revolve around the potential of having a child.  If she puts all her eggs in this one basket, does have a child, and then something (God forbid) does happen to the child, then what?  And $70,000 a year, and she is in her 4th year…

3. The prolife culture…in her description of her womb: an empty space with seven small black circles scattered about- my pre-people, follicles with eggs that never became babies.  But Pre-People… if only we all saw the potential in our bodies towards life.  And then saw the potential beyond merely physical life but spiritual life as well, that I have something inside that is worth sharing with others that will bring joy and happiness. 

This article came at the eve of the National NFP week… a week when we should be celebrating the beauty of marital relations between a man and a woman.  NFP seeks that the whole of the nature of these relations are just that, a whole: procreative and unitive.  Seems like man proves once again to himself that he is not to divide himself into parts but that he will be truly happy and himself when lived as a whole. 

Again, thanks for sharing!

 

Jen picked up on something I did, too:  “I have a small black-and-white ultrasound photo, like the ones couples are given after they see their fetus for the first time. Only mine was taken during one of my cycles, and there’s an empty space with seven small black circles scattered about—my pre-people, follicles with eggs that never became babies.”  It’s interesting that she chose that term “pre-people” when the pro-abortion industry chooses to deny the right to life to pre-born people that have been conceived.  Who knows how many of Ms. Finn’s own children may have been aborted through contraception, something I doubt that her doctors told her about the “pill.” 

All those struggling with infertility are in my prayers.  And knowing the statistics of how rare it is for a woman to conceive in her 30s and 40s makes me most grateful for the 3 of my 4 sons who were conceived at the ages of 31, 36 and 42.

 

Suffered with infertility until my husband and I listened to God’s plan for us—adoption.  We have been blessed with 2 boys.  We know lots of couples who have fulfilled their family plan in this way and don’t regret it in any way.  There are so many children out there who need loving parents and homes.
Is infertility becoming more prevalent?  One of my boys is on the autism spectrum—is infertility, like autism, another reason to “clean up” our environment?

 

My son turns 12 on Saturday, the child long awaited and much prayed for, after many tears shed for failed cycle after failed cycle. My heart always lurches with grief when I hear of a woman (or couple) suffering from infertility. Because we do suffer. We suffer awfully, and we typically suffer alone.

My husband was adopted. So we were open to adoption in the long run, but there was that need - perhaps more on my part than his - for him to have at least one biological relative. He used to tell me how he grew up looking into the eyes of strangers. He doesn’t look like his parents. He shares no skills, no interests, not even a taste for the same food as his parents. Weirdly, his brother (also adopted) sort of looks like his dad and they share a lot of common interests. Likewise, his sister (also adopted) sort of looks like his mom and they share interests. But people used to say, “Oh, he’s your adopted child, and the other two are your real children.” As a kid, he’d get angry and say, “What am I, a cartoon? I’m real, too!”

So I wanted him to have a child that was biologically his. We were protestants at the time, and had absolutely no guidance in navigating the moral mine field that is the infertility business. And yes, it is a business. I rankled at the paragraph in which Holly asked Dr. S. if she was insane for trying another round of IVF with her chances down to 5%. He said she wasn’t - but how can he be a fair judge when he’s the one making big bucks off her pain and desire?

She writes that the success rate of IVF is 30%. It was 25% 14 years ago, when my husband and I were considering all our options, without benefit of the Church’s teachings to light our way. But that 30% just means “live birth.” It doesn’t look at the odds from the perspective of the children conceived in the process. When we did the math, it was well less than 10% of the children who survived IVF. We looked at each other, and my husband spoke what I was thinking: “What kind of a parent would put their children through any process in which they had less than 1 in 10 chance of survival?”

We didn’t want to be that kind of parent. We nixed IVF permanently. We didn’t know about NAPRO Technology, but we would have tried it. In the long run, we finally overcame our infertility issues (my immune system was killing off my husband’s sperm within an hour) and had our son. Two daughters followed without medical assistance, and we know how blessed we are.

But we have never forgotten - can’t forget - what infertile couples go through. And we don’t forget that the business of infertility is a travesty, preying on desperate couples, doctors and clinics raking in enormous amounts of cash while couples continue to suffer. And meanwhile, there are kids in this world who are parent-less - who could really use the time, love and resources that are being used to support this immoral procedure.

 

Sparki, I feel so bad about the comments that your husband had to endure (about real vs adopted kids, etc).  I dread the day when my son has to hear things like that.  And I totally understand your husband’s desire for a biological child, since he didn’t have any other family members that he was biologically related to.  I hope that fatherhood has been a healing experience for him.

 

Thank you for sharing Sparki!  Your story brought tears to my eyes.  God bless your family.

 

I can really feel for those who feel so desperate for children that they go the IVF route. I have met many who have done this and not one of them was happy to pursue children in this way. They feel there is no other choice. And then the physical, emotional, spiritual, and financial tole it takes on these couples is huge. However, much of this process is so disordered beginning with the desperate need for a child. I experienced infertility and that total “desperation” for a child. Through the grace of God, I grew to learn that we should be more desperate for God and His will in our lives than for anything. Once we put God out of the top spot we are all in for difficulties and pain, no matter what we put above Him. Staying true to the Church’s teachings in our longings, we will be spared the most difficult situations and decisions, even if the path is still hard.  Finally, I have to say that I blame the medical community who, when dealing with infertility, only goes so far in finding the causes of infertility. Since so many OBs have no problem with IVF, that is always in their sights. So after a little testing, many women are sent off to the IVF clinics with a diagnosis of, “Unexplained Infertility.” Thank God for Dr. Hilgers. I believe the success rate for all infertility cases he sees at his clinic, Pope Paul IV Institute, is around 80%. That beats IVF by a long shot.

 

I read the article on Saturday morning and honestly, my first thoughts were that she really doesn’t have a clue about God’s plan for marriage and family.  How many more people are out there like her?  Too many!  It really made me want to teach my children as much as I can about the theology of the body, which I also discovered “too late” for some past mistakes of my own.  She is unfortunatelly, reaping the natural consequences for past behavior.  She admits to several sexual relationships outside of marriage that most likely included several years of birth control pills (she admits to taking the “morning after pill” which is an abortifacient.)  This can cause infertility.    She counsels women to have babies in their 20’s but says nothing about getting married in order to do this.  She is a single woman who thinks she has a “right” to have a baby. Children are a gift -no one has a “right” to a child.  I think she is acting selfishly, not to mention sinfully in pursuing IVF.  What is heartbreaking is that even though we (I include myself in this) can ask and receive forgiveness for our past sexual sins,  we still have to live with the consequences.  I pray that she seeks healing and forgiveness from Jesus Christ and embraces the spiritual motherhood that all women all called to.

 

Jen,
Thanks for your thoughtful post.
I find your comment below sums up the problem inherent in the use of contraception quite well:
“Seems like man proves once again to himself that he is not to divide himself into parts but that he will be truly happy and himself when lived as a whole.”

 

I found the article absolutely heartbreaking. How very different this woman’s life would be if she knew anything about the Church’s teachings not just about love and fertility, but also about the very purpose of life itself. And yet, as an . . . what? infertility survivor? post infertile?—I completely understand her emotions in the article. The only thing that irritates me about the Catholic world is the constant refrain about NAPRO. I know it is a wonderful development, but the bottomline is it is still inaccessible to most women. And it is very sllloooooowwww. The lengthy analyses of NAPRO are great if you are say 25, but not if you are in your 30’s. And before people presume that I am a 30’s careerist who didn’t want children in her 20’s, let me assure you that I simply didn’t get married until I was 29. In fact, none of my friends who are also faithful and orthodox catholics, got married before 29, so there are a lot of women who simply have to start their families in their 30’s.

I’m not knocking NAPRO, but I was blessed with my beautiful children through conventional medicine—an RE not an Ob/Gyn—who fully cooperated with my Catholic principles.

 

Hi Maria,
I’m a 40 year old woman who waited for the right man to marry…and we’ve got 3 blessings in their pj’s upstairs thanks to NaPro. God bless Dr.Hilgers and the Fertility Care centers, instructors and practitioners around the world.
 
If you’ve got internet access, or heck, even just access to a phone & fax machine, I think NaPro is pretty accessible worldwide.

As to the length of the studies…I’ll admit, I don’t know the averages or even how they compare to the IVF industry’s timelines. A quick fix, it aint…but that’s the beauty of getting to the underlying health issue & not just a “thanks for shopping; here’s your baby.”

 

Maria,

  I share a lot of your feelings.  I got married later in life.  In my case, it was probably my own fault.  It wasn’t because I was career minded, but I spent my twenties making a lot of poor choices that probably delayed my path crossing with my husband’s.  However, there are plenty of women who marry later in life by no fault of their own.  It’s not as simple as telling women to marry and have babies young.  It’s not always that easy.  As far as Napro, I think it’s a beautiful thing.  However, like you, I did not have access to it.  There are no napro practitioners anywhere near my region (and I don’t live in a remote or rural area), and my insurance wouldn’t pay for me to travel out of the network.  I think Napro is great, but there is nothing that will resolve infertility 100% of the time.

 

Claire & Maria,
I re-read my comment (and yours) this morning & realized that when *I* say NaPro, I am referring to the whole spectrum of NaPro Technology….from identifying low progesterone thru charting, to hormone monitoring/supplementation to maintain a pregnancy, or even to treat PMS in a teenager, to identifying and treating *most* underlying causes of infertility.
(Since this is a blog post about IVF, obviously I should have stayed focused on the infetility aspect)  I didn’t mean to get defensive re: NaProf; I’m sure you didn’t mean to sound dismissive.  I stand by the statement, though, that you *can*, in some cases, fax in your chart and get consultation.

It’s NFP awareness week.  Can everyone reading htis just say a quick prayer for more and more and MORE FertilityCare practitioners / NaPro trained docs & ob/gyns to FLOOD the culture of death with their authentic health care for women!! Amen!

 

Steph, no, I didn’t mean to sound dismissive at all.  I think very highly of Naprotechnology.  However, I don’t think that infertility can be resolved 100% of the time, and I was not able to get insurance coverage to use it for myself.  Would it have resolved my infertility if I had had coverage for it?  I don’t know.  I tend to think not.  We had male factor issues as well as issues on my end.  When I was actively trying to conceive, I belonged to a yahoo Catholic infertility group, and Napro worked wonders for many of the members.  But there were still people who used it for years without a live birth.  Sometimes God just has other plans.

 

Napro does help some but is not the answer for all.  I did not have infertility issues but other serious issues and the Napro team did not help me—meeting in person or faxing my chart to an MD.  The practioner came up with low progesterone as a problem and then in talking with my OB he said to me that they tell all his patients that.  This particular MD was open to NFP and did see alot of NFP patients.  Fertility care practioners have a certain knowledge set but they also do not have extensive medical training aside from what they get thru their creighton training.  People with no medical background can sign up an become certified.  Some do have some medical background.

I’m not saying this to knock Creighton but just to acknowledge it does not have all the answers for everyone.  They can be an excellent resource for some.  but again not eveyone who sees them for infertility gets pregnant.

 

I read the piece and it left me depressed.  And I guess the question I have (and I am 44 and have four children) is that if she does succeed in having a baby, this baby will have a lot to live up to.  There is so much riding on her to have a baby.  What if the baby doesn’t live up to her expectations?  Only Christ gives you solace and hope.

 

The statistics about how rare it is to conceive seemed off to me.  It would be better if they stated how many people would get pregnant in a year between the ages of 20, 30 and 40.  I don’t think it is that low or rare to get pregnant.  I bet if someone used Creighton or another form of NFP to conceived the pregnancy rates would be much higher that the ones stated.

Both of my sisters had surprise pregnancies in their 40’s.  I know many women who conceive in their 40’s.  It really is not that rare or unheard of.

Could one of you help me with a question.  I was talking with someone about IVF and my concern over the number of babies that were lost when they were transferred.  This person responded that the natural rate of miscarriage is often 30%.  Even doing things natures way produces alot of lost babies.  I’m not sure if the rate of miscarriage is higher for someone over 40.  Any thoughts in this comment?  I’m not implying this makes it ok but even God’s way has a high %% of babies who die.

 

Beth, I don’t have the statistics handy, but the rate of miscarriage definitely increases with age.  And even with younger women, chances are that many have had very early miscarriages without even knowing it.  Personally, my biggest issue with IVF isn’t that babies naturally miscarry in the process.  My issue is with the freezers full of “extra” embryos who are never given the chance to gestate at all.  From the church’s perspective, this is just one of many ethical problems with IVF, but in my mind it is the most serious.

 

I don’t believe the numbers above and don’t know how to interpret the stats, but doesn’t that imply that there’s an early (undetected pregnancy) miscarriage rate of 85-90% in her 30s? If that were the case, and the suggested time to see a fertility doctor is after 12 months for women up to 34 yo and 6 months if over age 35 then wouldn’t most women be seeking fertilitytreatment?

 

Purely anecdotal, but I know one couple who did embryo adoption.  Of 16 embryos transferred total, only one made it to term and she died a few hours after birth due to severe handicaps.  Given that most IVF procedures transfer more than one embryo at a time and there’s only a 30% success rate, it seems safe to say that the miscarriage rate for IVF is far higher than with natural pregnancy, even though IVF clinics already screen out and discard embryos that have clear problems before transfer.  And for people who like to equivocate about IVF deaths vs. miscarriage from natural pregnancy (I know you aren’t one of them, one just hears that a lot), well, the natural death rate (say, from heart disease) is higher than the murder rate, but that’s hardly a reason to justify the murder rate…


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