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Veggie Police

who's in charge of your kid's lunch?

A preschool student at a North Carolina elementary school recently had her lunch taken away and replaced by the school’s “healthier alternative” when someone noticed that the sandwich she brought didn’t meet the requirements for healthy fare.

Instead of the sandwich, the girl was given the cafeteria’s option, which included chicken nuggets and vegetables (which the child opted not to eat).

I could feign outrage over this, but mostly I’m left thinking, “seriously?” Does someone seriously think chicken nuggets are the healthy food option (have you seen Food, Inc? You will never look at chicken the same again.) But more importantly, does someone seriously think children eat veggies if their mother isn’t standing directly overhead with her eyebrow raised? The only way I’d confidently send veggies in my boys’ lunch is if there was ranch dressing to dip it in.

But I’m just not worried about it. I think of food ingestion as units of intake, and then assess those units over the course of a week. Not a day and certainly not a meal. And I definitely think of school lunch as being an opportunity to refuel with the least amount of junk food and the most amount of protein possible. I used to say no to snack cakes and send a sweet little pack of raisins, until I kept finding the raisins in the lunchbox. I can serve those things for dessert at dinnertime—and let the boys have something they actually enjoy when I’m not there to force feed the good stuff.

Maybe I should give this person—or the school system or whoever called the shots here—the benefit of the doubt. They’re just thinking of the children. Think of the children! But wouldn’t the children be better of if we let them eat the food they will actually eat—the stuff they are willing to get on board to use as fuel—and then send them outside to run off those horrible no-good calories.


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The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

I posted on this NC situation early this morning at my kids w/food allergy website forum.

As if the implications of government intrusion are not odious enough…just think of the headlines if the kid had happened to be allergic to the chicken nuggets & had a reaction.

The benefit of the doubt should extend to parents, not federal lunch “inspectors.”
“Please, Comandante, may I now drink my apple juice?”

 

This is really disturbing.  It’s not like the mother packed twinkies for the child.  What kind of a message does it send the child when the school supercedes a decision that the parents made?

 

But what if her mother did pack her twinkies?  So what?  Don’t we, as parents, have the right to parent our children the way we see fit?  I can’t imagine very many circumstances where strangers….government authorized strangers…should have the right to intervene in any parent’s decisions about food or education or anything else.  I certainly do not want the government telling me how to parent.  Unless a child is abused (including malnourished) the government should stay out!

 

I didn’t mean to imply that if she had twinkies, the school would have the right to take away her lunch.  I was just pointing out that it makes it even more outrageous, because it wasn’t even an unhealthy lunch to begin with.

 

Back when, once upon a time, I was a senior in high school, my mother had packed a nice big lunch-roast beef sandwich (my choice) with all the fixings. What did I do? I went with my classmates to McDonalds. Needless to say Ma was not happy that I wasted a perfectly good lunch that I chose (I own it up to school-spirit).

 

This is so sad.  I am in shock where we have gone in this Country.  When chicken nuggets and veggies become a better alternative to a sandwich something is wrong.  Very sad.

 

Agreed - taking a look at the entire week from a nutritional standpoint is key.  One of my kids eats exactly the same thing for lunch EVERYDAY - it kills me, but I know that every other meal has lots of variety and color.  While her lunch may seem “substandard”, this child asks for more protein and veggies at almost every dinner and is wild about all of the fresh caught fish and wild (organic) meats that my husband brings home from his many hunting trips. As parents we all do the best we can and the school system should know that they only see a small portion of our choldren’s lives.

 

My kids do eat their veggies.  They like most veggies. And fruits and whole grains, etc.  We just don’t do junk food and they have come to appreciate a large variety of types of foods.  One of the many reasons I homeschool is to be able to give my kids healthy as well as nonallergenic food and to broaden their taste horizons.  When they were in school they were always being fed treats in class which basically took aways my parental control of their diet.  Parents should decide what their own kids eat for lunch, not the school, nor the other parents, nor the government.

 

Yes, but we shouldn’t have to homeschool to have that control.

 

Rachel, where’s the “like” button? And, my security word is boys17. LOL.

 

I AGREE! This is outrageous. One more area where ‘normal’ mothers aren’t ‘expert’ enough!

 

I also thought about food allergies.  One mom whose son attends another school in this district was very upset.  Her son has severe dairy allergies.  He was served pizza even though his name is supposed to be “tagged” in the system to avoid dairy.  The lunch monitor forced this 7 year old to eat the pizza even though he protested and even stated he was allergic.  He had blisters around his mouth that the mother said was from the cheese when I saw him a few hours later. 

My child is the one who chooses her own lunch and takes a Greek salad and an organic green apple.  I am not kidding.  The only thing she will even consider from the school cafeteria is the mozzarella sticks with marinara sauce.  She calls the rest of the food there “nasty”. 

I don’t serve my child chicken nuggets unless I make them myself.  She won’t even eat them.  She didn’t even eat them when presented them as a toddler.  There is a difference in homecooked, well-balanced meals and the Frankenfood variety that no one should even consider being healthy.  If I pack my child’s lunch, she had better get that lunch, especially if the alternative is less than healthy. 

There is a huge amount of food waste from the “healthy” options at my daughter’s school.  I have been there at lunch and very seldom ever saw a child eat any of the fresh fruits.  Those items are thrown into the trash uneaten.  I do have to wonder if the suppliers even care.  I sampled an apple there one day.  It was so hard that I could not bite into it.  I used a knife and that was the worst apple I ever tasted.  It didn’t even taste like an apple, but more like chemicals.

 

My son also has allergies, and reading things like this terrifies me. It’s hard enough to let go and send him out into the world, without having to worry that he’ll be forced to eat something dangerous.  I’m starting to think that homeschooling is going to be my only option.

 

All my kids have multiple food allergies, and the story was infuriating! Nuggets have egg (to bind the breading) and the homemade lunch did not. One of my kids was severely allergic to eggs at that age. Had that been my child, I’d have called the police for reckless endangerment of a child….after we got home from the hospital. stupid, stupid, stupid!!

 

This is very dangerous. What if it was on a Friday during lent and the child was “of age?” What about food allergies (my cousin’s son can’t even tolerate the smell of peanuts”)? As for the dreaded “God-awful” veggies pick one or two that the child will eat (raw or cooked) and leave it at that for now. Children’s tastes change as they get older.

 

The best advice I received was from my son’s pediatrician when he started eating solids.  She suggested not to look at an individual meal or even a day’s worth of meals instead look at a 1 week or even 2 week timeframe to see if your child had fruits, veggies and protein.  My son is 11 and I still follow that advice.

What scares me?  Other people micro-managing what is ultimately my responsibility!  Too much waste at schools isn’t just a problem of what is served but also what is brought from home.  I wish we still lived when kids could come home for lunch - I would have loved that era!

 

The best advice I received was from my son’s pediatrician when he started eating solids.  She suggested not to look at an individual meal or even a day’s worth of meals instead look at a 1 week or even 2 week timeframe to see if your child had fruits, veggies and protein.  My son is 11 and I still follow that advice.

What scares me?  Other people micro-managing what is ultimately my responsibility!  Too much waste at schools isn’t just a problem of what is served but also what is brought from home.  I wish we still lived when kids could come home for lunch - I would have loved that era!

 

The best advice I received was from my son’s pediatrician when he started eating solids.  She suggested not to look at an individual meal or even a day’s worth of meals instead look at a 1 week or even 2 week timeframe to see if your child had fruits, veggies and protein.  My son is 11 and I still follow that advice.

What scares me?  Other people micro-managing what is ultimately my responsibility!  Too much waste at schools isn’t just a problem of what is served but also what is brought from home.  I wish we still lived when kids could come home for lunch - I would have loved that era!

 

I had a simmilar problem at our school.  My daughter (6yo) chose to take a boiled egg, a cheese string, a yogurt and a 5 inch mini cucumber for lunch.  The lunch monitor decided it was not enough lunch so they gave her a cream cheese bagel.  If we are running low on healthy options the take a not so healthy frozen McCain’s pizza. The lunch monitors think that’s a fine lunch.  I let my kids take as much of any healthy food that they want.  They don’t want sandwiches, I don’t make them take them.  I think they will only get thrown away.  None of my kids are underweight or malnourished.

 

This just proves that 43 years later, in the end school cafeteria food is still gross.

 

LOL couldn’t have said it better myself!

 

This really has nothing to do with food and everything to do with usurping parental authority.  My kids in Catholic school do have a few rules for what they are not allowed to bring.  Really they just can’t bring soda or candy for lunch.  We all know the rules so it is our responsibility to respect them. If I don’t like it I can send my kids elsewhere.
This whole situation is training our kids to sit passively by while “important people” makes rules…... the HHS mandate comes to mind…... and learn not to make a fuss.

 

I agree with you completely Melissa!  Just like the outrage over the HHS mandate is not about contraceptions per se, this is not about Twinkies or nuggets, but about our freedom!  The HHS is a societal menace.

 

YES! YES! YES! This. Totally this.

No matter what kind of junk a mom sends with her kids, there is NO reason that a “lunch monitor” (what is that anyway? Something related to a komodo dragon?) should ever usurp a parent’s authority over their child. If for some odd reason the lunches were really awful, why wouldn’t the teacher contact the parent & try to deal with things that way?

By dictating what the kid may/may not have in their lunch, Big Brother is just stepping things up a notch…what will they have groomed this generation for? They’ll just be another brick in the wall…

 

Some lunches are more equal than others…

 

Peggy, you rock.  If they keep telling us that, surely we will all believe it.

 

So true, Comrade.

 

I definitely think this infringes on the rights of parents to raise their children the way they see fit. Just ridiculous. Yet another reason we won’t be sending our kids to public schools. I went to public schools myself, but they seem to be getting worse and worse!

 

What happened to this little girl is outrageous and should never have happened. However, after googling this story and reading accounts from the North Carolina media, some of which have more information from department officials, I found that it appears the true intent of this policy is for teachers and school personnel to supplement (not replace) lunches of students who truly come to school without. Whether or not they would be charged was unclear. So if a child comes to school with a soda and twinkies, teachers can give him a school lunch. They are not supposed to take the child’s lunch from home away and it doesn’t appear that they took this girl’s lunch from her. Clearly, the person who deemed the girl’s lunch as lacking nutritional value was incredibly misinformed. But I thought I would point out that such a policy can help provide nutritional options to kids who’s families are unable to provide them and gives teachers a way to reach out to students who need a little help. It isn’t just about the government trying to tell parents how to feel their kids.

 

I think it is ridiculous that in this age of cutbacks in public education they would even employ someone as a “lunch inspector.”  Couldn’t that money be better spent on basic materials or playground equipment or even another aide to help kids read and write?  It just seems like such a waste of funds.

 

I am not a food inspector—however what we are asked to look for is the child that seems to come to school every day with only a bag of chips or cookies that is their lunch.  We do not take that away from them but will provide them with additional food to supplement what they brought and they would not be charged.  They may or may not be able to afford more for lunches or they may just have a parent who just has them grab something to take for their lunch and never checks to see what they are taking.  Unfortunately having a bag of chips or cookies does not provide fullness or the nutritional basics necessary for learning etc.  It may have also been the true intent of the policy to provide additional nutritional supplement and that particular person had a totally different missinformed interpretation of that policy.  I think the intent of the policy is good and helps those that might only have a bag of chips for their daily lunch.

 

My friend’s kindergartener had her snack taken away by her teacher because it wasn’t deemed healthy enough. It was home made soda bread with butter. Apparently the teacher only considered fruits and vegetables appropriate snacks and the little girl was forced to share a friend’s snack. That teacher got a phone call. I’ve actually heard of this a lot in my neighbourhood and it makes me livid both as a parent and a teacher. As a teacher I feel it is my job to talk with the parents if, and only if, a student’s food at school is endangering another child (a kid keeps bringing peanut butter despite there being a dangerously allergic child in the class) or the food is preventing the student from learning (the student goes bonkers each day after having a pop for lunch). If a child is hungry then that’s a whole new issue and one that needs to be addressed with kindness—taking away food just seems like shaming the student and doesn’t accomplish much.

 

This story was taken way out of context.  This is not about sending your kids to public school.  This is a government funded preschool for 4 yr olds.  Probably something like head start that serves kids at high risk or those living in poverty.  The government sets standards for lunch because they are trying to find a way to deal with the childhood epidemic of type II diabetes and obesity. The gov’t is a beaucracy but it is trying in whatever way it can to change the course of the current health crisis.  The gov’t will wind up paying when some of these kids enter adulthood and wind up disabled from the complications of obesity and type II diabetes.  This risk is higher for those who love in poverty.  I know because I work with these kids when they become adults.  Parents are aware of these standards when they enroll their kids in the program which is probably free for most of them. Someone at the school messed up and the school corrected their mistake.  If the program has standards and rules then no it is not ok to send your kid in with twinkies and soda for lunch.  If you do not like the rules then send your kid to another preschool.  I doubt there is any preschool that would not set standards for at least snacks.

I work in health care and the unnecessary suffering and disability I see on a daily basis is really sad.  American has a serious health crisis and the majority of it is caused by illness that is entirely preventable such as heart disease, type II diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure and certain types of cancer.  I routinely see people disabled and placed on government assistance at an early age.  Too often it could have been prevented with early intervention.  All of you who write and post here are very involved in your children’s lives teaching them good habits.  (This is NOT about you…) The parents whose children will use most of the health care resources (with illness that is preventable) as adults do not have parents who teach them how to take care of themselves. How do we reach them?  It is a very complex problem.

For the record I do not see the government telling anyone what to do.  I see people disabled from an early age from illnesses brought on by obesity and smoking.  I see people continue to live irresponsible and the gov’t continues to give them money and pay for their health care.  They can smoke and eat whatever they want because no one is going to tell them what to do.  They don’t have money for their medication but they have hundreds of dollars to spend on cigarettes a month.  No one is going to take away their right to smoke and eat whatever the #$%^ they want to eat.  This attitude we have is really unfortunate.  If anyone expects the gov’t to pay for their health care or disability then at some point the gov’t should be able to set some standards.

 

ooppps that was “live” in poverty.  And yes I know some of you live in poverty but since you are here posting on this website I know you are very involved in your children’s lives.  This is not about labeling everyone who lives in poverty.  If you look at the statistics it is clear that there is a higher risk of obesity/diabetes in kids who live in poverty.

 

If this is not a gov’t funded program then what kind of public elementary school has a preschool for 4 year olds?  It would be good to have more information.

 

In my area, there are some school districts that have universal PreK for 4 year olds.  It is not income based, and it is not a program for high risk children or children in poverty.  I guess you could say that it’s government-run, because it’s a public school and public schools are funded by the government.  But that doesn’t justify a teacher taking away a child’s sandwich and replacing it with chicken nuggets, which aren’t going to do much to combat type II diabetes.

 

I’m not sure if it was a govt funded program but my town has a full day preschool for 4 year olds. It’s common in New Jersey. 
I understand your point of view, but the child’s lunch from home was fine in this case.
I’m not sure how it happens, but in US, people in “poverty” somehow end up with way more calories than they need. Everyone else around the world understands that a big bag of healthy rice and beans costs the same as a bag of doritos.

 

And, I just noticed from the article that after replacing the turkey&cheese; sandwich (on whole wheat bread) with the chicken nuggets, they even charged her mother for the meal.  Ridiculous.  I’m just glad this child didn’t have allergies and didn’t suffer a reaction.  Paying for this type of a lunch monitor is not a good use of public school funds.

 

Claire,

The school recognized they made a mistake and corrected it.  That is why I think this was so blow out of proportion.  Obviously chicken nuggets do not prevent type II diabetes (as someone else noted) 

All the preschools I know set limits on what the kids can bring in and so do the schools my kids go to. I’m not offended by it and actually I think it is a great idea. Now their lunches are not inspected but for parties and celebrations they are trying to limit the junk and teach the kids how to celebrate in other ways. For Valentine’s Day my daughter’s class wrote affirmations for each other on hearts. Of course all the extra candy came home too. I would prefer they didn’t do candy at Valentine’s. We celebrate at home. When I was in elementary school we exchanged Valentine’s and that was it.

We have such a disordered relationship with food in American and it is showing in our health care crisis. So much illness is caused by poor health choices.  Our health care costs our sky rocketing in part because of this.  Yet I rarely hear people acknowledge this.  The gov’t is trying to find a way to reach kids.  I can’t say I have a great deal of hope we are going to change direction but at least out of desperation they are trying.  It just does not seem right to me that we are getting hysterical over someone encouraging us to send in a healthy lunch for our kids.

 

As a parent of a child with multiple anaphylactic food allergies, I think if anyone could get a pass to get legitimately hysterical about the food aspect itself, I could be given one.

However, the food aspect comes in a distant second in my strong reaction to this incident - no matter which news account I read - compared to my indignation at yet another government over-reach.

Sometimes I wonder if we frogs have been sitting too long in the pot of water.  It’s starting to boil, people!

 

I am not convinced that the school recognized the mistake and corrected it.  The article linked here does not indicate that;  it indicates that the mother was charged for the chicken nuggets.  Apparently there are conflicting articles about this online.  I am not interested in researching and getting to the bottom of which article is accurate.  I am commenting on the way this was presented here, and if that is accurate, it is very disturbing.  If a school’s standards of a healthy lunch is chicken nuggets, I don’t have much confidence that they are going to reach kids any better than their parents can.  And if they hire workers who make “mistakes” like that, that doesn’t do much for my confidence either.  And as Steph C mentioned, for those of us who have kids with food allergies, we have every right to be hysterical about the possibility that our kids’ lunches can be exchanged with something that could be dangerous for them.  No one here is getting hysterical about efforts to encourage healthy lunches.  We’re upset about usurping parental authority.  Encouragement doesn’t have to involve this. 

Yes, preschools have food standards.  That’s because preschools usually have snacktime where the kids share food.  That is a far cry from dictating what a parent sends for her child’s individual lunch.  I personally wish my son’s preschool didn’t have snacktime at all.  For one thing, after eating snack at 11 am at school, he isn’t ready for lunch till 1 or 1:30.  And then there’s the allergy issue.  But in any case, I’m glad they discourage parents from sending in unhealthy food for the class.  As I said, that’s different than dictating what a parent can send for her own child.  As another commenter mentioned, if a teacher has a concern that a parent is constantly sending in unhealthy lunches, she can discuss this with the parent.  Or if the school wants to supplement a child’s unhealthy lunch with some healthy additions, fine. But according to this article, that’s not what happened here. An occasional twinkie, though I wouldn’t choose that for my son (even if he weren’t allergic), is not a sign of parental neglect or a predictor of someone who is going to develop type II diabetes and deplete the healthcare system.

 

The original link was to a Daily Mail article.  Here’s a slightly different reporting of the facts:
http://www.nccivitas.org/2012/state-inspectors-searching-childrens-lunch-boxes-this-isnt-china-is-it/
With these notable quotes:
“...A mother in Hoke County complains her daughter was forced to eat a school lunch because a government inspector determined her home-made lunch did not meet nutrition requirements. In fact, all of the students in the NC Pre-K program classroom at West Hoke Elementary School in Raeford had to accept a school lunch in addition to their lunches brought from home.
NC Pre-K (before this year known as More at Four) is a state-funded education program designed to “enhance school readiness” for four year-olds….”
...
“...The inspector was most probably from a UNC-Greensboro program which contracts with the state to make the assessments. The assessements use the Early Childhood Environment Rating Scale-Revised program at the FPG Child Development Institute at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The program gives schools a grade based on standards that include USDA meal guidelines enforced by the N.C. Division of Early Childhood Development….”

It wasn’t a “lunchroom monitor.”  It was a “government inspector” for crying out loud.

This has NOTHING to do with obesity, and everything to do with usurping parental AUTHORITY - individual autonomy.
 
Just like the HHS mandate has NOTHING to do with contraception, sterilization & abortifacients and everything to do with governmental ASSAULT on free exercise of religion, and ASSAULT on free enterprise, and an ASSAULT on individual autonomy.

 

Let’s be frank- what is being communicated to our children by the school /gov’t- we know better than your mom and dad on how take care of you! Bascially undermining our parenting.

 

There are reasons to be upset by this story. But in general, in seems we should be careful how we view this incident. Many of the stories floating around on the internet now that this has gone viral are opinion pieces from entities that don’t have to fact check any of their information. A quick google search this morning shows that I can’t find one of the newspaper stories I read from North Carolina just yesterday. And this is a 2 week old story that is suddenly getting lots of coverage. Many of the internet stories have conflicting information. This story from yesterday even states that the initial story from The Carolina Journal had been changed from its original posting. http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-preschoolers-meal-was-not-replaced-mom-was-never-charged-fee-20120216,0,5771122.story. I don’t think any reasonable teacher or parent would disagree that what happened was wrong. And from what I read yesterday, the inspector’s actions didn’t follow policy. It appears this was basically a head-start program. I know in my state there are different requirements for head-start than public pre-k so that may be true here too. The policy is there to allow teachers to give students that come to school without a good lunch more to eat. If all a student has to eat is half a bologna sandwich then the teacher can provide milk and fruit or veggies. If they bring junk, they can offer a lunch. The source I found yesterday, that I can’t find today, stated that the policy is to supplement, not replace. Of course this is a terrible case of someone overreaching and overstepping. It shouldn’t have happened. But don’t accuse the whole system of being after our children when it might be possible that they are actually trying to watch out for the most vulnerable of us. Sometimes it is just one person that makes a mistake.

 

In case anyone is interested, it looks like another mom from the same school has come forward and said the same thing happened to her daughter, plus the teacher sent a note home explaining it.

I think the food police should back off entirely, but in lieu of that, couldn’t they just have extra bags of carrots for people with inadequate lunches if their only goal is to make sure everyone has veggies everyday???

 

I agree with Rebecca above.  The press this story has gotten is so out of control.

There are people that over step their bounds in the Catholic Church ALL the time. There are groups in the Church that operate with cult like control.  Yet Catholics usually don’t go haywire thinking the whole church is nuts.  Damage that is done by people in the church that overstep their bounds is severe yet here we are discussing a school trying to get kids to eat a balanced lunch.  And moms are upset because they feel they should be able to send their kids in with twinkies and a soda everyday if they want too.

This apparently is from a head start program which has guidelines for lunch.  If you do not like the guidelines then pay for your children to go to another preschool.

 

Once again, you are completely missing the point.  It’s not clear that this is Head Start program, and having guidelines is different than taking away a child’s lunch.  Maybe if you had a child with food allergies you would also be horrified by the idea of a school replacing a child’s (nutritious) lunch with something less nutritious that could in fact be harmful.

 

Claire, you’re right, it isn’t clear whether or not this was a head start program or whether this policy applies only to head start or all pre-k children. That was why I was trying to approach it with caution and find some sources with more information before forming an opinion. There were a couple of things that indicated to me it was probably, not definitely, a head start program. In one article, the program had a specific name, something about 4 Plus I think. It also appears to be run by the department of Health and Human Services not the state board of education, which is the case with the Head Start in our state. Also, the principal at the school was quoted as not knowing anything about the lunch policies of these children except that they ate in the cafeteria with the rest of the children, again indicating that the program was outside the regular school system. Again, I’m not saying that we as parents shouldn’t be outraged at the incident. It wasn’t right. And as parents we should be aware of the policies in our own jurisdictions and how they are implemented. I can see how parents of children with allergies would be appalled. Specific guidelines for those concerns should be in place and that appears to be an oversight of this policy regardless of its intent. But I can’t be completely against a policy that tries to get food to children who might be without. Maybe the implementation of the policy needs to be reconsidered but I still think it’s basic intent is good and not to take parental authority.

 

There is a new phenomenon in debate called “Anderson’s Law.”  It is sort of a “Godwin’s Law” for discussions related to the Catholic Church. 
Given that this discussion/debate is not primarily related to the Catholic church, I must admit, I didn’t see it coming!  grin
God bless ye! Have a good weekend.

 

Some people take every chance they can to insult the Catholic church.  Sometimes anonymously, sometimes using their name, but they can find opportunities from endless sources of seemingly unrelated topics.  It’s particularly sad when Catholics themselves feel the need to do this.


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