This is right on target! I wasted much of my twenties dating guys who just weren’t that into me. I liked the challenge. Once I grew up, got my priorities straight and decided it would be better to be alone than to be treated disrespectfully, I met my husband.
All The Single Ladies
by Lauren Warner in Marriage on Monday, June 20, 2011 6:00 AM
When I was in my young 20′s, I read the book He’s Just Not That Into You.
You remember the one — it was a pop hit. It was written by a writer for the hit series, Sex in the City, Greg Behrendt.
At the time, I was foiling over some young suitor who was being flaky and causing me angst. So I plopped down on my bed with a Coke Zero and flipped through the pages of the book that I borrowed from a co-worker.
As silly as a lot of it was, there was an air of wisdom that strengthened my wee little heart. The gist? If he really likes you, if he really is good for you, if it is really meant to be: you’ll know.
And the advice came true. When I met my wonderful husband, there was no drama. No questions. No games. There was no “I’ll call you” and then no calls.
There was no “I love you,” but I treat you poorly.
There was good on paper—and good in person—and a completely healthy individual who never made me feel bad about me.
And yet — it is the crux of the young woman. She watches The Notebook and believes in happily ever after and dreams of Prince Charming. But then she allows Creepo from the corner bar to flake out, manipulate her, lie, bring her down, and make her sad.
She sets expectations for herself, but then keeps her expectations low for her suitors. She desperately wants happiness, but is only happy when she feels wanted. This need to be “adored” only makes her into a door mat.
Women Deserve Better
As a secure mama and wife, I look back on my younger self — and on the young women around me (heck, even some not-so-young!) — and wish for them the sense of self that does not fear being alone; but of being with someone less than they deserve.
If only our young women could hold their suitors to higher standards — and see that they deserve to be pursued, doted on, and adored for who they really are.
The subhead of He’s Just Not That Into You is: The No-Excuses Truth to Understanding Guys.
I love that. How often do women not only accept the excuses of a badly behaving men, but make excuses for them?
Here’s an intro page to the book:
Hey. I know the guy you’re dating. Yeah, I do.
He’s the guy that’s so tired from work, so stressed about the project he’s working on. He’s just been through an awful breakup and it’s really hitting him hard. His parents’ divorce has scarred him and he has trust issues. Right now he has to focus on his career. He can’t get involved with anyone until he knows what his life is about. He’s so complicated.
He is a man made up entirely of your excuses. And the minute you stop making excuses for him, he will completely disappear from your life. Are there men who are too busy or have been through something so horrible that makes it hard for them to get involved? Yes, but there are so few of them that they should be considered urban legends. For as already suggested, a man would rather be trampled by elephants that are on fire than tell you that he’s just not that into you. That’s why we’ve written this book. We wanted to get the excuses out of the closet, so to speak, so they can be seen for exactly what they are: really bad excuses.
Why Dating Matters
I am passionate about this subject because I am passionate about strong families. And strong families begin with strong courtships and choosing the one core-shaking, God-given, soulmate of a person who you can build a life — and a family — with.
If we girlies waste too much time making excuses for Fuddy McDud, then we’ll never meet Studly McStud. And yes, I just totally went there like a writer for Seventeen Magazine.
But here’s another thought to throw in the mix. I recently read a great blog by Jennifer Fulwiler where she writes:
This weekend the Wall Street Journal ran an article by Kay S. Hymowitz in which she asked: “Where have all the good men gone?”
She wrote:
Not so long ago, the average American man in his 20s had achieved most of the milestones of adulthood: a high-school diploma, financial independence, marriage and children. Today, most men in their 20s hang out in a novel sort of limbo, a hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance. This “pre-adulthood” has much to recommend it, especially for the college-educated. But it’s time to state what has become obvious to legions of frustrated young women: It doesn’t bring out the best in men.
“We are sick of hooking up with guys,” writes the comedian Julie Klausner… What Ms. Klausner means by “guys” is males who are not boys or men but something in between.
“Guys talk about Star Wars like it’s not a movie made for people half their age; a guy’s idea of a perfect night is a hang around the PlayStation with his bandmates, or a trip to Vegas with his college friends. … They are more like the kids we babysat than the dads who drove us home.”
One female reviewer of Ms. Kausner’s book wrote, “I had to stop several times while reading and think: Wait, did I date this same guy?”
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Boy, did she touch a nerve. Only hours after it was posted, it had 300 comments, most of them from men who basically said: “Right back at’cha.” They wanted to know where all the good women have gone.
A variety of theories were presented in the comments, many of them dripping with animosity. One man wrote:
“Where have the good men gone? The feminists can find us enjoying a good beer and watching golf after a tough week at work. We’d rather clear our head and enjoy the free time we have on our terms instead of trying to pursue women who keep telling us that they don’t need our partnership to buy a home or have a child.”
Another said:
“Feminism’s goal was to make men irrelevant. Now feminists are complaining that men are irrelevant. Sorry ladies, but you get what you pay for.”
It seems like in the dating world, there’s a lot of finger pointing and demands being made on the other gender to straighten up their act. But first, we must straighten our own.
A few of pieces of advice I’d like to offer single women of any age:
1. Date to marry. Don’t date someone who you wouldn’t marry. And on the same note, don’t date someone who you wouldn’t want to have children with. Can you see this person pacing the dark halls of your home at 2 am, comforting a screaming newborn?
2. Be the kind of person you want to attract. If you want someone who loves sports, mama and God — then spend your time pursuing those same interests.
3. Be okay with being single. I think this is the main reason that people stay in unhealthy situations – because they’d rather be there than “alone.” But ah, there’s the rub as Shakespeare would say. Being “single” does not mean being “alone.” It means being free to grow, to learn, to meet new people, to improve yourself, to pray, to listen and to make sure you’re ready when the one arrives.
I will end with an email that my beloved Grandma wrote me in 2003:
“Happiness is not a destination but it is an ongoing tour and you make of it what you want. You can either enjoy where you are and what you do and see. Or, you can feel sorry for yourself and want to be somewhere else and forever be unhappy. No one makes another one happy if one is not happy with oneself.”
Amen to that!
—Lauren Warner is a Catholic mom, wife, writer and Texan. She blogs at Sipping Lemonade.
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Great article. I also wasted my twenties and early thirties dating conservative Catholic guys who had no clue how to treat a lady or anyone for that matter. I thought all I had to do was find someone with the right values and beliefs but there is a big difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. Even if the guy really is into you, and even shares your faith and values, he can still be immature, weird or just a jerk. My advice to single women today is don’t pay any attention to what he says, pay attention to how he treats you.
Thanks for your article. I am happy F&F ran a feature on single woman. Given the current cultural climate, esp. the contraceptive mentality, I feel incredibly blessed to have met my husband, because I am aware of how difficult it is to meet good men. I am constantly praying for countless female friends who are single, all lovely, intelligent, kind-hearted women. They all abide by the guidelines mentioned in the article, and then some, and yet, the years go by, and they are still single. But we can’t give up hope! My husband and I introduced two friends who are now happily married. I think it’s important to look for suitable matches for our family and friends called to marriage, and pray and discern about whether and how to introduce them.
Great post! This has been on my mind a lot lately. I’ve known some girls who have wanted very badly to be mothers and wives, and so they’ve dated any semi-decent guy that comes along. Unfortunately none of them were quite as taken with the idea of being husbands and fathers. :(
I think those three bits of advice you gave are some of the most important things I’ve learned in my own young womanhood.
God bless!
Years ago, when I was single, I used to read women’s magazines. Women would write in complaining about their guys’ addiction to porn, or their guys’ struggle to stay faithful, and the articles would say things like, “Well, he’s a guy, and that’s just what guys do, so learn to deal with it.” It was like giving men a free pass for bad behavior. It depressed me to think that so many women would read those articles and figure that they couldn’t expect more from men. Thank God I grew up knowing men who had integrity and knew how to treat women right ... I knew that they existed, and that if I just hung in there, eventually I’d find one. But I feel for women who haven’t had such men in their lives, because society makes it easy to believe that bad behavior from guys is just normal. And I think people do rise to meet your expectations for them, which is worth remembering in dating relationships, too.
Anyhow, I enjoyed the article. Thanks for addressing this topic.
Excellent article, especially the part about dating to marry. Investing a decade or more of your life to recreational dating doesn’t produce much good fruit.
Well said.
I think one important thing to keep in mind is that the marriage market is flooded with 30+ women looking for a husband and not nearly as many 30+ men wanting to marry. Waiting too long to be “ready” for marriage may greatly decrease your prospects of finding the man of your dreams.
So I would advocate that women not settle, but also urge them not to wait too long before they start looking. I’d say that by at least age 25 you should be marriage-minded.
I would also caution women not to over or under-estimate their beauty. Some beautiful women insist they are ugly and some plain women insist they are beautiful and should be able to hold out for Fabio. Regardless of what you look like just assume you are average and cultivate the rest of you marriage-ready qualities. Don’t over-rely on your attractiveness and don’t assume that less attractiveness means you will never find someone.
Also- don’t underestimate the importance of mutual attraction. If the idea of being intimate doesn’t excite you in the beginning, then when you are breastfeeding and exhausted and your husband has gained 30lbs it will excite you even less. Sex is a marital obligation so don’t set yourself up for failure by marrying someone who doesn’t give you butterflies.
My husband didn’t give me butterflies when I was dating. All the jerks I dated and got engaged to did. Butterflies can be an emotional attraction or a physical attraction and that stuff doesn’t last. Character does last and I married my solid, easy-going, unexciting, but full of character guy and I am more in love with him every day. I say you don’t need butterflies, but you do need character.
I agree with anothermiddleagedmomma. I think that establishing an age for marriage mindedness is not a good idea. It works for some, but not for others. The point is to discern God’s plan for your life, and when it is time, to step out in faith, not to make these really specific plans about what your future will hold. I think that “marriage mindedness” might actually cause problems if women hyperfocus on Finding A Man. I am happily married, btw. I do not see sex as a “marital obligation” either, anymore than I see birthday cake as an “obligation” at a party. I’m happy to indulge, and I do find my attraction for my husband growing as time goes by.
(And I TOTALLY agree about butterflies—they are an emotional reaction—even an indicator of danger—and they can be fun but aren’t necessarily a good indicator of a good man.)
I guess maybe from my point of view I would advocate more of an individual discernment approach rather than handing God a list of deadlines.
I think it is kind of mean to marry a man you aren’t attracted to. I would be heart broken if I found out after marriage my husband wasn’t that attracted to me.
Sex is most certainly a marriage obligation. Its right there in the Bible.
It is wise to be mindful of the economics of the marriage marketplace even if you choose to ignore my specific suggestions. The marriage marketplace is flooded with over-30 women and way less men. That is just the facts. That means that not every woman who wants a husband will find one.
I think that marital sex is both an obligation and an positive experience. Like Holy Days of obligation, there is both an obligation/commitment component and an opportunity/blessing component. Unfortunately, the concept of obligation can have negative connotations, but it doesn’t have to be that way.
Great article. As someone who is 31 and had been single for a long time, it was refreshing to read this. But I would add, keep an open mind and be willing to date men who are not your “type”. The big stuff in common is important and has to be there, but don’t get hung up on what you think is perfect for you. Also like it or not, looks fade, character does not. Of everything you said, I think “be the type of person you want to attract” was the best. And be yourself, because the true you needs to be the person they fall in love with.
I agree with the spirit of this article. Of course we should only date men who treat us well! I would also caution not to hold impossibly high standards. All men have flaws. If you try to hold out for the perfect man, he’ll never come. The comment in the article about waiting for a “core-shaking, God-given, soulmate” bothers me. What makes a man a good partner is not that he shakes your core and is your soulmate, but the choices he makes. All men have the potential to be good husbands, if only they choose to act selflessly in their relationship with their spouse (or potential spouse). Does he do that already? Are you compatible? Hang on tight! I fear for women who are waiting for a man who shakes them to the core, while they may pass by mr. “average but quietly selfless and holy in his own way”. Anyways, I get what you’re saying. Ladies, don’t settle! But don’t set yourself up for disappointment either.
That struck me as well! Using the phrase “soul mate” is slightly against the grain of this article; soul mate is something that is there, that happens to you. This article is about making good choices about the men you’re choosing to spend time with.
I agree with the above poster on this issue. Soul mate ‘theology’ isn’t Catholic in nature but still can infiltrate thoughts of couples when they hit rough times. I say this as a woman who went through the first four years of her very rough marriage, mourning the loss of really having met a man who was better for me, I now find myself happily married to the man of my dreams. I’m still married to the same man. We’ve changed though.
Please be careful about using the phrase soul mate!
I clicked on this link because I was curious to read a woman’s perspective so I’ll throw in my two cents from a man’s perspective in the one area in which I have some expertise: the guys who talk about Star Wars. I actually know some of these guys, and they’re good and responsible husbands and fathers. I don’t really see the difference between a man who acts like he’s got an actual investment in a sports team and another who likes geeky movies. They can both get over-involved in a topic, but one is deemed manly while the other is called immature. There are men in both instances who take it too far. I think it’s just a matter of different interests, and shouldn’t count against a man. Geeks and nerds can make decent husbands.
Indeed, my Dh Loves video games and almost every movie ever made, but he is a man. When we first got married he worked 2 full time jobs and a part time to support us. When we didn’t have a car he would walk to the store and carry all the food home for us in the winter in DC. He does everything he can to take care of the kids and I, and isn’t afraid of sacrifice for his family. He is steadfast and steady and has all the important qualities of a husband, true love and a man.
Not that you can just let all gamers slide, I’ve met some gamers who completely ignore there wives, but in this technological age gaming is just another hobby alternative similar to my compulsive updating on my Ravelry site.
The ideal is to have someone of good character who also gives you butterflies. Many men feel rejected by the wives who don’t feel a strong attraction to them.
Imagine if the situation was reversed. A man marries a woman because she has a good personality but he isn’t that into her physically. Meanwhile lots of the men she didn’t marry thinks she is really hot stuff. Doesn’t that woman deserve to be with someone who is really into her versus a man who feels like he is settling for her?
BTW- I read to my husband your response and he said “If you had written that about me I would be pissed.” I don’t think that describing ones husband as “unexciting” would go over well with most men. It certainly won’t make him feel manly.
I meant “unexciting” in the sense of non-butterflies. My husband knows and doesn’t care that we didn’t give each other “butterflies” when dating or that we weren’t “exciting” to each other in the sense that I think you mean. But if you mean there has to be some physical attraction, yes we are attracted to each other, but not in the ecstatic kind of way you sometimes get with a bad crush. We love each other deeply and have a good sex life. He’s not complaining. I just don’t want people to pass up men who would make excellent husbands and fathers (my husband is the best father ever to our kids) because they don’t have get “butterflies” when dating.
to anothermiddleagedmomma
If you and your husbands feelings of non-butterflies was mutual then I guess the chances of heartbreak are lessened. But in the case of a woman who married a man who is head-over-heals in-love and she doesn’t feel the same way that kind of mismatch of emotions can be devastating.
I did feel major butterflies when my husband and I got married. Good thing too because lots of other women were infatuated with him and he wouldn’t have been willing to settle for anything less given that he had many options.
Great book I just read on this very topic called Captivating by John & Stasi Eldredge. Single ladies, you have *got* to read this book. He also wrote one for men called Wild at Heart - I’m reading that one now too.
I meant “unexciting” in the sense of non-butterflies. My husband knows and doesn’t care that we didn’t give each other “butterflies” when dating or that we weren’t “exciting” to each other in the sense that I think you mean. But if you mean there has to be some physical attraction, yes we are attracted to each other, but not in the ecstatic kind of way you sometimes get with a bad crush. We love each other deeply and have a good sex life. He’s not complaining. I just don’t want people to pass up men who would make excellent husbands and fathers (my husband is the best father ever to our kids) because they don’t have get “butterflies” when dating.
I think the author glosses over a big piece of the puzzle- the fact that dating itself leads to some of the problem of women allowing themselves to be disrespected. Christians have unwittingly accepted dating as the proper way to meet and interact with a possible spouse. That is, doing activites with someone you really may not know at all or just a little, then doing activities with them often one on one, for the purpose of just trying to get to know them, then hoping something develops from it. This really is a more recent, modern creation by the popular culture. It’s strange how we don’t question it.
Consider alternatives such as befreinding many people of the opposite sex; then because of an agreement of mind and wills and values are seen to be present, and you know what the person is all about, you decide you might want to pursue something romantically. A true and serious courtship can then begin right away This eliminates some of the pitfalls of the girl accepting bad treatment from a guy she is “dating”; e.g. hoping that he will change as they progress in their dating; or the fact that the man does that precisely because they don’t know each other well. Those who had been friends and treated each other w/ respect previously would not treat each other that way; and if they observed that the person did mistreat women the freindship would probably have ended too.
Thanks for the interesting read! I think you’re on the money about a lot of this.
My goodness, though. I clicked the link to the original article (which was interesting), and browsed the comments. Some of them were TERRIFYING. Especially the bitter man who just kept saying and saying “women file for 80% of divorces, so marriage is bad.” I just kept shaking my head in disbelief, as I have a friend who used to work in Family Court who told me that this is, a great deal of the time, because the man has left and is refusing the support the family and the only way the women can feed the children is to legally compel him to - i.e., formally file for divorce and get a court order that he has to provide for his children at least a little bit. Anyway. Whoa. I was so disheartened by that bitterness, and hope that thinking like this isn’t a big part of men wanting to opt out of marriage.
I’m so grateful that the conversation here has a much more positive tone, and that my wonderful family and friends don’t feel that way.
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