Thanks for this, Susie. It’s very fashionable to make snide remarks about children and childrearing, in front of said children, in the third person. Thankfully, I have a child who has the awareness to call me out on it. She’ll say, “When you’re on the phone, you sound like you don’t like being a mom.” Maybe if we brushed up on our positivity, it will rub off on our neighbor. Patience may not be the answer. A look in the mirror may be.
What To Say?
by Susie Lloyd in Family on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:08 PM
I think I’ll go out today and tell all the dog walkers I meet exactly why I think they’re nuts.
What do you think of this lead in:
“I had three dogs myself so I KNOW what it’s like. I don’t miss it. I am NEVER having another one.”
What? Why are you giving me that look? Oh, you have a dog? Well, I can be conciliatory.
“Once in a while, I think it would be nice to have another one. The kids want one. But then I see somebody walk by swinging that little bag of poo and I come to my senses. Sorry kids. Been there. Done that!”
Did you say something? You love your dog? Well, whatever. Don’t we all?
“I’m just sayin’ mine were a handful. The chewing alone. They wrecked so much furniture. The hair. Everywhere! And it took forever to potty train them. Then they had accidents anyway. What’s the alternative? A yard of mushy land mines. And they need SO much attention.”
Aha, you admit that it’s work! But ... it isn’t really that bad? Your dog is ... worth it?
“But they’re so expensive!”
Betcha never thought of that!
“You name it—collar, chain, leash, crate, dish, bed—unless they sleep in yours. Are you one of those people? FOOD - That’s a biggie. Vet visits. Flea and tick control. TOYS. Can we talk toys? They go through toys so fast. How do you keep up? But you have to. If you don’t give them toys, they get bored and wreck your stuff.”
Why are you walking away?
“Hey, don’t forget Obedience School! It goes up every year!”
You are dumbfounded. As you walk away you begin to think of everything you could have said if you’d had your fangs on you, like:
“What’s it to you? Am I asking you to feed my dog, vet my dog, or buy my dog’s toys?”
I know what you’re thinking ... because that is what I am thinking whenever someone stops me and tells me exactly why they think I’m nuts for having a big family.
It amazes me that it still happens. When the kids were little and I was “pregnant again” it felt like it was hourly. I used to hide my pregnancies until basketball season.
Now half of my family is grown. There are no babies or pregnancies. Everyone is happy, healthy, working, studying. They’re not even ugly. How is this a problem?
And yet ... recently, a friend’s grandmother openly sneered at me. Like I came over for a cup of tea, a chat, and—“Forget the cookie, I’ll have one of your sneers instead. Delicious! Did you make it yourself or did you pick it up on the way?”
Not long after that, a hairdresser did the same thing. Since when is “The customer is always insulted” a business maxim?
Over the years, I’ve tried the “I love my kids” argument and gotten pretty much the dog treatment above.
Maybe I should have tried, “So which one of us is fat?”
But no, we’re supposed to be patient. People parrot this stuff without thinking. They would think it the depth of rudeness to insult an innocent dog—even if he is too busy biting fleas off his rear to listen. But it’s always open season on kids.
Kids who are standing right there. Not a flea in sight. Kids who are listening. My kids. Worse, their own kids.
Maybe patience is not the answer.
Some good news: Now that some of my kids are grown, I know that these remarks haven’t hurt them. They know that what these people say is not the truth. They are not evaluated like pets, on the basis of bother and expense or joy and pleasure.
The “I love my kids” argument is useless and subjective.
The intrinsic worth of my children has nothing to do with me. They are an image of God, purchased with the price of His blood.
What about those other children—who are just as valuable as my children? Do they know it? What do they grow up thinking?
I wish people would think about that.
No, maybe patience is not the answer.
—Senior writer Susie Lloyd is author of Please Don’t Drink the Holy Water! and Bless Me Father For I Have Kids.
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I agree. I too wish people would be more sensitive about making comments about other peoples family sizes whether large or small. I’ve heard some very hurtful comments go both ways. Sometimes from the people who complain about the same thing being done to them.
Susie, Absolutely phenomenal article. As a mother of 5 all 6 and under, with another on the way, I am sick of being patient. The question becomes how do we, as Christians, respond in a polite way while still letting people know that their behavior is rude and simply put, not OK. I usually tell people that yes I love my children, and yes, coming from a large family has something to with my wanting one myself, but that I made my choice to have a family before my husband and I got married. We agreed that, to us, being open to children meant being open to whatever God sent us, and that, from then on, it was not up to us. As I also tell people, the less rude, who simply say, with astonishment, “God bless you!”, “He already has, many times!”
I think perhaps, the best way to respond to such rudeness as we encounter on this subject, is to remind them, politely, that children are blessings and how many my husband and I have is no one’s concern but our own.
I have the opposite problem in that I only have one child (God’s choice, not mine), and it drives me crazy when people make comments about only children being selfish, spoiled, lonely, etc. People really need to stop worrying about (and verbalizing about) the size of other people’s families.
Claire, one of my high school daughter’s closest friends is a seventeen-year-old “only child”. He is one of the happiest, most well balanced kids I have ever met. He’s kind to everyone, acts in Shakespeare plays, is on the quiz bowl team, plays music… he is well rounded and interesting, and also playful and happy. Every time someone makes a rude comment about only children, I wish they could meet this boy. The reason he’s such a good kid is that he has extremely loving parents. They treat his friend like their “kids” also. Once, his dad made cookies for my dd for her birthday. They hosted a late night “after party” after a school dance for their son’s friends (including my dd), and they are so devoted to their so that I knew they would be doting on all the kids.
How parents treat their kids is the most important factor in what kind of people they grow up to be. There are advantages to ANY family size… including to families with one child! We can only have the advantages of the size we have. Every family is gaining and missing SOME type of advantage.
I know several families in this situation. As hard as it might be sometimes, God gave you the family that it right for you. Not all only children are lonely or spoiled. Maybe your child needs the extra attention from you and your husband to fulfill the mission God has in store for him/her. Many only children are determined individuals who accomplish great things. . .or you may end up the grandmother of 11, like someone else I know
LOVE THIS!!! I’m used to comparing my family to an expensive car collector or boat owner, ...no one thinks they are crazy for purchasing ‘another one’. But I can see the ‘dog owner’ is far more common and an easier jump for most people to ‘get’. Dogs are a huge thing in California…out-of-control huge…dogs in ALL of the stores (yes, even in my grocery stores ~ and ,no, I don’t mean ‘service dogs’) dogs in strollers, in coats/costumes, dogs at meetings, dogs at the ballet studio etc. Fine…but children are terribly looked down upon here! So sad.
As the second oldest of eight who grew up during the 70’s, I have vivid memories of my mother being accosted in grocery stores or on the playground, or traveling. It was upsetting and I made a vow early on that I would never make any comment or offer any opinion on family size. My kids are older now and when I see a young mom with a bunch of kids in tow, I just smile. I don’t say a word.
Susie,
Whenever my children and I go anywhere (really, Mass included), someone will remark, “Wow, you’ve got your hands full!”
Lame. Seriously. My kiddos have amazing hearing and they repeat everything, too. (What can I say, they’re brilliant!) So I have learned to use somewhat gentle responses that, while may be subjective, sends the, “You’ve just offended me” message. I just think people forget how rude they actually sound.
Some of my favorite responses:
“These three? This is nothing. You should see the other several dozen I have at home.”
“Yep. We’re just blessed with work!”
“You know what they say about idle hands!”
“Isn’t fertility such a blessing!” (this produces some MAJOR winces)
“We love it that way”
“We’re trying to out-breed the ____.” (I only use this when someone has been particularly rude. While this may reflect my lack of virtue, I still hold on to the idea that I am fraternally correcting them.)
Now whenever I see a mom with children, I just smile and let her know how beautiful her family is. Praise God for fertility!
I’m a mom of six (in 10 years, all now grown) and I think those of us who appreciate large families have a part to play in encouraging those who are currently raising them. “What a beautiful family!” said to the mom in the grocery store who is juggling several kids—even if not all of them are being angelic—can lift her spirits and her shoulders, and maybe be overheard by the grump in the next lane who assumes that everybody agrees that big families are a mistake.
My husband has one of the best come-backs. He was on his way out from a staff meeting where it was mentioned he would be gone for a couple weeks paternity leave. In the elevator a co-worker congratulated him and asked if this was his first. After said co-worker recovered from the shocking revelation that instead this was his forth and began a bit of relatively good-natured ribbing about big families my husband smiled and said, “According to Darwin we win.”
When someone commented that I needed to tell my daughters(I have 5) to stop having kids(oldest has 2 and the second has 1) I calmly informed him that my plan was to have my DNA slowly take over the world. That with 5 kids and each of them having several kids, in 100 years my DNA would be all over the globe while DNA passed to only a child or 2 would be slowly dying out. He looked very worried and said, “World Domination, huh” and said nothing more.
Susie, I love this. It’s a complete riff on a discussion we were having around the table. My husband had taken two of “all of those kids” (ours) on a walking trail in town. Dontcha know they were forced off the trail by two women with six (count ‘em, six) dogs. Which they couldn’t control. It was amusing to consider that all of the snide comments that large families contend with would have really offended those two women.
Too many kids? Of course! Too many dogs? Never!
I am from the south and went out west for a family vacation. My husband and I along with our 5 children (ages 8 - 18) attended Mass in a beautiful Catholic Church in Cortez, Co. One of the highlights from the trip was when the couple behind us asked if all the children were ours and told us how blessed we are and that we have a beautiful family!
Some people will never understand how freeing it is to be open to God’s will and live it every day. Nothing you can say will get through to these people. For those people who are open to life and still have small families: God knows your heart and that’s what matters.
What do I say to the Catholics in my homeschooling network, almost all of whom have large families, who have asked me in front of my kids, “So when are you having another?” or (to my sons): ” I’ll bet you would love a little sister!” Now that I am getting up there in years I don’t get these comments/questions as much as I used to, thank goodness, but they always left me speechless.
I sympathize with Claire above. Too often the families I hear complain the most about the comments they get about their large family size are the ones who are the most vocal about making rude comments about other people’s family size, working situation or schooling choice. I have heard the most hurtful comments be to families with just one child not large families. This happens so often that I am starting to lose my sympathy for large families. (I’m sure God will keep my heart soft:))
Just a reminer to be aware of the comments you make as well to other people. The fact of the matter is we all have to hear people make rude comments about our choices. We have to decide how we are going to deal with them and whether or not it is worth our energy to get upset over it. If it is someone we have some kind of relationship with and they are a reasonable person we can discuss it. But sometimes you just have to let it go. There is no decision you could make that everyone would agree with.
Beth, I hesitate to make the same generalizations you do but I agree with you and Claire that we ALL need to be conscious of the comments we make to others and remember we don’t know anyone else’s heart. I have seen a beautiful mother of an only child, who desperately wanted a large family, be brought to tears multiple times by the insensitive comments of those around her even when not directed at her personally. Oftentimes it is just flip remarks about how much a family can afford because they only have one child, or how they can take vacations so easily, blah, blah, blah. What they don’t know is she would give all of that up in a heartbeat to raise a whole mess of children and how much it pains her to know what people are thinking.
That’s horrible Monica. I can’t believe people make comments like that to you in front of your kids, and directly to your kids. Unbelievable.
I am as out of place in my network as the large families are in the rest of society. Believe me, it has often tempted me to abandon homeschooling. But because it works best for my kids right now, despite some drawbacks. Most of the large families I know have never been rude to me just like most small families are not rude to big families. But there are always some who can’t see outside of their own experience. Because I come from a large family I have the benefit of seeing things from both perspectives and have had the unfortunate experience of being on the receiving end for being “too many” as well as “not enough” in my life. I honestly can’t say that one group was less rude than the other. To me the solution is, as you have said in the past, Claire, to simply keep your eyes on your own paper.
That’s why I don’t comment on the size of anyone’s family. I didn’t appreciate the comments growing up (and most of the time they weren’t kind) and although I have a larger than average family now, I don’t need anyone’s approval. I don’t seek it out and I don’t like being the recipient of someone’s observation, because even when I do receive a compliment, it usually comes off as someone feeling sorry for me - “oh you must be a saint” or “I don’t know HOW you do it, you poor thing”. I figure you just can’t win either way.
it seems to me that the phrase “wow you have your hands full” could also be a well intentioned comment, especially if the delivery is polite and cheerful, as in “I understand/appreciate how hard you must work to be mom for your children” I say this only because I have an uncomfortable feeling I may have actually said this to a mom right before offering to help her with carry on luggage or hand her something from her grocery cart that fell out…..and she may or may not have had two children or 20 : )
I agree, it totally depends on the tone that the comment is delivered with. It reminds me of some SAHMs who get offended when people tell them that they’re lucky. It all depends on how it’s delivered. If it’s said with an air of jealousy, then I can see where it would be perceived as offensive. But otherwise, I see it as an acknowledgement that it’s a blessing to be able to be home with our kids, and I certainly can’t argue with that. I work very part-time outside the home, and being able to be mostly at home takes a lot of sacrifice on my part, but I still consider myself lucky, because a few years ago it was impossible for me to be home no matter how many sacrifices I made.
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